Sheriff Dupnick undaunted by criticism from right, blasts Limbaugh

I trying to figure out why all these folks that called for refreshing the tree are now running like cockroaches from their words.

red, I agree. Why aren't they out in public high-fiving each other?

Uh-oh Dupnik, your target (err, surveryors marks) is coming!

One big pissing contest! I hate yellow snow and yellow politicans... Blast what needs to be blasted! The enemy across the big water....

Exactly. They have been screaming about watering the tree of liberty with blood for 2 years now. Well, this is what it looks like. They got their wish.

Asking people to believe an attempted political assassination was not politically motivated, is INSANE! And...

When one person is delusional; they call it INSANE.
When groups of people are delusional; they call it RELIGION.

He criticized Limbaugh? Does he have a bullet-proof vest?

This points out the idiocy of People like Limbaugh. It it werent for Heros like Dupnik who were willing to say that when AZ paased the immigration laws that he would not obey the law. We need more poeple like this Sheriff who will satnd up and say if Republicans make laws, we wont enforce them. That is the American way.

So Now Dupnik is right on target and has assertained that the cause of the shooting is right wing rhetoric and vitriol( which I am not sure what oil has to do with this), just think of the tax dollars which are now saved because we know the cause of the crime qand who is responsible. Now we can begin to solve the Problem so that innocent victims like Loughner do not have to spend a life in prison because Rush Limbaugh told him to shoot this person, because of his hatred like all righty talks show host and the particular hatred for these "Blue Dog Democrats".

Isn't it just a little interesting that a sheriff calls out people 'on the radio, and some on TV', and the Right responds 'It's not our fault' and 'Democrats do it, too'?

I don't hear the left saying this.

Why such an impassioned response from only one side?

I trying to figure out why all these folks that called for refreshing the tree are now running like cockroaches from their words.

Because no matter how hard you try to change you will always be a cockroach.

Because no matter how hard you try to change you will always be a cockroach.

and the Fer's will be around forever.

When groups of people are delusional; they call it RELIGION.

Or a political party

OK - I nominate Rush Limbaugh for the 2011 Gregor Samsa Award.

I trying to figure out why all these folks that called for refreshing the tree are now running like cockroaches from their words.

That's what cowards do.

Stand by your guns Sheriff Dupnick--you don't have to take any @!$%# from that America-hating bastard Rush Limpballs! Fuque that hateful bastard!

Lynch Mob Inciters, seldom do the dirty deed themselves. They don't even stand on the front rows, usually these cowards are on the side-lines or in the back rows SPEWING their venom! Alas;Limbaugh,Beck,Palin,Angle etc...

Ever hear these people in real debates with live oponents...NO! Fact is, they shy away from direct confrontations with those they antagonize and smear;but prefer to communicate with,ghost written books, radio shows,T V shows, sound bites,face book,twitter etc,with no Q&A call ins and no challenges to their dictates! They are indeed,cowards pandering to the gullible.

Stand by your guns Sheriff Dupnick

Really????

#1.:I trying to figure out why all these folks that called for refreshing the tree are now running like cockroaches from their words.

And just like the filthy and dirty cockroaches they are, they scamper and try to hide when the lights come on! They are gutless cowards.

#1.9:Why such an impassioned response from only one side?

It is known as GUILT!

Isn't it just a little interesting that a sheriff calls out people 'on the radio, and some on TV', and the Right responds 'It's not our fault' and 'Democrats do it, too'?

I don't hear the left saying this

Democrats never say anything like this vitriol

Absolutely

the right wing calls for blood and even assassination

the liberals call people stupid and ignorant but do not call for violence

therein is a huge difference

Let's see now. The opinion of a seasoned law enforcement professional versus the opinion of a millionaire draft-dodger and prescription drug abuser. That's a tough one. Decisions, decisions..........

So, lets say for the sake of argument, this was a politically motivated killing. Yes, it could have been just some guy who wanted to make big news, but since it was a Democrat, it must have been political in nature.

So, what's next? Put new laws into place that make everyone not say something that could be deemed as violent in nature? (screw free speech) Or make new laws that somehow make everyone much happier so this never happens again?

Do you people live in fantasy land?

What ever happened to someone being responsible for THEIR actions? Why can someone kill others and somehow it's someone else's fault?

Jesus, if this is what you want this country to be we are all in deep @!$%#.

I may not agree with many of you, and I also may not like what many of you say, but you have the right to say it, we have the right to discuss it, even argue about it. This is what founded this country. We don't all think alike, that is our strength, not our weakness.

Most people do think the shooter is responsible (albeit mentally ill too). Of course we all know he did it. But that doesn't mean we should not discuss the incendiary rhetoric that adds fuel to the fire.

Words matter. You can say what you want, but we all suffer the consequences. To pretend all of this negative bombast has no effect is even worse. Every time it is spewed, it should be put under a microscope and examined so everyone can see it for what it is. It may be legal, but it is not right. Shine the light on this negative vitriol. No matter who does it.

Discretion is the better part of valor!!

I have to agree with a big majority of Americans that the rhetoric and partisanship has gotten way out of hand and honestly... even Gabbie commented about her district being "targeted" by Sarah Palin's PAC on the map, and how the virile and caustic stuff being tossed around could have bad consequences. How chilling to see that video clip of her knowing that this deranged individual probably was kicked over the edge by the "lock and load" mentality of radical right wing individuals like Levin, Beck, Savage, Limbaugh, Hanitty, and of course mental midgets like Bachman and Palin.

The sheriff is spot on the money, and its terrible that everyone isn't taking a deep breath and saying to themselves that words do matter.

The other side of this issue is gun control laws. I have no interest in taking away guns from legitimate hunters and sportsmen. I'm a veteran myself, and I've actually had fun at turkey shoots unfortunately using my abilities with weapons to win more than my share of prizes. But as someone who has handled a number of automatic weapons in the military, I see absolutely no need for hunters and sportsmen to use anything beyond a shotgun or bolt-action rifle with a very small magazine. Automatic handguns that take 30+ round clips have no place with the hunter or marksman. In New England there is a trial going on that deals with the death of a 8 year-old who shot himself with an Uzi at a automatic weapons demonstration. The kid's father actually consented to him using the gun. And the father is a doctor... you'd figure him to be intelligent enough to know this was stupid in capital letters.

America's 24/7 cable news and talk radio personalities need to stop worrying about ratings boosts from outlandish stir them up commentary, and they should also be asking Americans if we really need to have unnecessarily high-powered guns so easily available, or any guns available without significant background checks.

And lastly... if Sarah Palin had any brains, she should come out and lead the charge against rhetoric and innuendo. Of course, we all know how shallow she is, so I don't expect her to understand that words matter and the consequences of her screeching buzz and code words can be deadly.

When you make outrageous statements and put cross-hairs on targets diecting crazies to the person you want to "hit", then you are responsible when one of the nuts you "energized" finally takes you up on it. I blame Sarah 'Cross-hairs' Palin, Sharron (2nd Amendment remedies) Angle, and the rest of the hate mongers and liars who "inspire" the pathetically ignorant to vote against their own best interests, mistrust a brilliant and kind president, and now attempt to kill those who oppose their stupidity.

Veralto

Maybe Sheriff Dupnik is wrong and maybe he's right.

One thing is certain: No more hateful insane attacks that include any stupid gun references will be coming out of that bitch Sarah Palin's mouth from here on out.

You guys that mention Palin do realize the DNC used targets (crosshairs) on a political map also, right?

And here are a few other things YOUR party did. I am not saying this is a 'one political party is at fault', but I do agree that we as people in this country need to 'tone it down' a little, but at the same time don't infringe on freedom of speech.

Here are some example of the things you guys may or may not know of that was said by Democratic people with influence.

• After pushing the Bush derangement syndrome to such fantastic heights, especially through the use of proxies such as "The Huffington Post", "Air America", and the actual calls of violence from Chris Matthews fantasizing on air about seeing Rush Limbaugh shot in the head.
• The Craig Kilborn Show superimposing the words "Snipers Wanted" over the face of President George W. Bush.
• Nobel "Peace Prize" winner Betty Williams publicly stating her desire to murder President George W. Bush.
• British film makers Gabriel Range and Simon Finch making a 2006 movie fantasizing about assassinating President George W. Bush.
• Alec Baldwin urging the murder of Henry Hyde, his family, and ALL Congressional Republicans and their families on national television.
• David Guy McKay and Bradley Neil Crowder, two America-hating left-wing terrorists, were arrested by the FBI after conspiring to firebomb Republicans at the 2008 GOP Convention in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
• NPR commentator and ABC News reporter Nina Totenberg wishes death by AIDS on Senator Jesse Helms and/or his grandchildren.
• Julianne Malveaux publicly wishes death on Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.

That's just for starters....

Also, we must be careful that disagreeing with the government is not only healthy, but necessary to keep them in check. When laws are made so that it makes any anti-government rhetoric ILLEGAL, we the people have lost.

I should be allowed to disagree, and loudly if I so desire, with my government, it's officials or policies as long as there are no death threats. Christ, just use common sense... it seems to be bread out of the gene-pool these days.

Patrick #1.30

There is one glaring difference between what you list as Democratic transgressions and those by republicans:

The G.O.P. has perfected attack hate-speech politics to the level of a dark art form, with Sarah Palin - who isn't even a candidate for any elective office - running around the country spewing invective and exhorting her followers to take aim - complete with rifle scope crosshair - at Democratic opponents, FOX News supplying the dishonest narrative 24/7/365 and conservative think tanks and print media all forming the well known "vast right wing conspiracy" that is a documented phenomena. The collective players hardly meet once a month to formulate plans, but the narrative is well known and a matter of public record.

By contrast, all conservatives can do to try to alleviate the spotlight on their culpability in this latest attack is to list random disconnected events from Democrats.

Nice try. No one except conservative apologists are buying it.

If in a small room, you can convince at least one person that the person sitting next to him is evil, you have set a series of actions into effect that you will never be able to undo............how do you unring that bell?

Patrick, show me a Democratic map with crosshairs on it.

Plain and simple, Sheriff Dupnick is saying if, you put "lipstick" on a PIG, it's still a PIG! Any questions? Hat's off to the Sheriff!

Wonder what RL would do, if a Grand Jury supeonas him: watch the worm squirm.

Sheriff Dupnick is saying if, you put "lipstick" on a PIG, it's still a PIG!

Yep. I would agree...is he wearing lipstick?

Ok BB, I must admit...I had to laugh! "Don"t" do that again! :^)

Sorry, I didnt' tivo the election in order to pull a still image off and post it 2 years later because I knew a tragedy like this would happen.

It has been said on many news stations, even stations that are not FOX.

Also, the President has stated in his campaign speeches "if they bring knives to this fight, we will bring guns". I know this statement isn't a threat or hate mongering, but it is as weak as your palin arguments.

I think a lot of you really need to quit hating so fricking hard and take a step back, breath and then look obectively at both sides. Some of you have some very serious phuking mental issues and are so hard left you are going around in circles.

Sorry, I didnt' tivo the election in order to pull a still image off and post it 2 years later because I knew a tragedy like this would happen

LOL! Nice try... not

think a lot of you really need to quit hating so fricking hard and take a step back

hating? on what? Palin's pathetic ass? I think were ok, you can keep her as your queen, just please tell her to keep her ignorance to herself, grown ups need to get to work.

Some of you have some very serious phuking mental issues

And this is why it is impossible to have any civil discourse with a rightwinger, thanks for proving our point.

The problem is where do you draw the line between what can be defined as "spirited debate" and hate rhetoric.

Personally, I think Rush Limbaugh is an attention whore slob that will say anything his right wing audience wants to hear just for the viewership ratings and mulit million dollar salary. He never researches any topic he bloviates on.

Yes, there is a difference. Any reference to guns such as "Reload" is a serious mistake in judgement. You have to realize there are crazy people that are listening that may be influenced. I think the right wing commentators are flirting with disaster and flirting with their fringe element listeners, such as white nationalists, KKK, anti government paranoid schizophrenics, etc... Rush probably doesn't care less about the fringe element listening to him, as their numbers count when it comes time to decide about his salary.

How far is too far? This catastrophe reminds me of a right wing talk show commentary singling out an abortion clinic doctor in one of his shows, and subsequently the doctor was shot in killed while attending church a few days later.

I don't know if Loughner voted for Jesse Kelley, the war veteran Republican candidate endorsed by the Tea Party and the NRA. It was a heated, closely contested election campaign. If Loughner had lost and Kelley won, would he have gone after Kelley? I think not. It would be my best guess that he voted for Kelley and was frustrated at Gifford's re-election.

I always enjoy these sparring matches on the Vine. I sit back and read a well documented argument from a neo-conservative, accurately and sometimes even eloquently demonstrating his point to a worthy foe from the left -- and here interjects a dumbass with a terrible grasp of the English language and barely a pot to crap on -- and I kick myself every time. I always agree with the dumbass more so than either the liberal or the conservative.

Actually Patrick your examples are a hard desperate stretch to try to justify the rights advocating the use of violence. It was everywhere this past summer.

DNC used targets (crosshairs) on a political map also, right?

BS. Show a link to the DNC site using it. Otherwise it's just another right wing lie.

The Craig Kilborn Show?? You are kidding right?

As far as Bush goes? I don't know about what people said about Bush. Death threats against him are wrong. I personally get satisfaction out of seeing him stumble over attempting to use the English language. But I guess he isn't able to travel to many places outside of the US isn't he? War crimes and death threats? I think he is one of the worlds most hated.

What you are seeing is outrage from people that felt that the right wing tactics of the past year were completely off balance. Toting weapons to political rallies, physically confronting protesters, making death threats to political opponents and their families, and vandalizing their offices, and then trying to justify these types of outlaw behaviors as being fed up with the left, or say really stupid crap like:

Also, we must be careful that disagreeing with the government is not only healthy, but necessary to keep them in check. When laws are made so that it makes any anti-government rhetoric ILLEGAL, we the people have lost.

I should be allowed to disagree, and loudly if I so desire, with my government, it's officials or policies as long as there are no death threats. Christ, just use common sense... it seems to be bread out of the gene-pool these days.

and think that is going to excuse the behaviors I had listed above. No one and I mean no one is against voicing opposition to the government. But direct physical confrontation or threats of violence are way over the line. And that was the climate this past year and it was coming from the right. It wasn't condemned by Fox news or Limbaugh and it should have been. Actually just the opposite, it was encouraged. the flames were fanned.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has been under relentless fire from the right since his impassioned and impromptu plea for an end to hateful and violent rhetoric.

Sheriff Dupnick is an idiot. It's one thing to "plea for an end to hateful and violent rhetoric", and it's another thing to offer an opinion before all the facts are in. He is a professional law man for over 50 years. Dupnick should know better then to play judge on national news. To make a claim like he did should get him retired real fast. Especially now that we find out the depth of the mental illness of the killer is much greater then even his folks understood it to be. That the killer didn't obsess over Fox News or any right wing radio show for that matter. Gee, he can't find a smoking gun to link it to the conservatives in America. What a surprise.

1.44 - we'll find out the facts after the trial. The news can only speculate on all aspects of this situation at this time. That is the problem with serious events like this. Fact finders not yet selected are already swayed by public opinion.

All my life I though of Rush as a big clown, but now I hear he has a jet and copter, and millions of $, he's no clown!

Sally - Snoopy's Sister

Yeppers, we will find out the truth as time goes by. Heck, we already learned a lot since the original blaming of the "right wing" for this crime by this Sheriff. He started the whole shibang and is the spokesman for his County? I have no idea how he kept his job for 50 years with such overwhelming, non-objective, non-fact based opinions. Good thing this is a slam dunk case otherwise this Sheriff could really damage the case for the State.

Are we too muzzle and censor anybody that makes comments that are inflammatory, if so we can start with the current President and his staff. Incidentally, the current nut-case was a left wing guy, are we to take away free speech from Matthews and Olbermann? It is simply dangerous to allow a Governmental Agency to have the power to judge what is suitable with regard to Free Speech. We have libel laws, we have defamation laws, we have a civil court system where anybody, can sue for anything, at anytime. Why would anybody want to take away freedoms because they dont happen to agree with a certain person's statements or specific forms of politics, Do you think that the Government will stop with the Right, once the precedent is set that the State is the ultimate authority with regard to editorial content - and or tone and manner of speech, all of us are silenced? Furthermore, I have gone back and cannot find examples of the outrage directed at the Climate Change crowd with Lee, (Eco-Assassin-terrorist), when he executed innocent bystanders similarly to the shooting in Tuscon? I have included for your review the hate speech that drove this mentally ill person, (Lee), to do exactly the same thing as Loughner did. I would expect complete outrage on the part of everyone that has decided to muzzle right wing entertainers, to immediately call for silencing Olbermann, Matthews, MSNBC, but especially the UN and any advocate of Climate Change?

1. Maurice Strong, head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro and until recently, Executive Officer for Reform in the U.N. Secretary General's office. His comment, "Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized nations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?" This quote drove David Lee over the edge and Lee became an Eco-Assassin as the shooter in a mass death execution at the Discovery Channel Headquarters. A fair question would be, if Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Reilly, and Coulter are to be censored for the good of society, forbidden from rhetoric that is an obvious causation of violent episodes similar to the shooting in Tuscon, then in all fairness the UN should be muzzled and forbidden from making it's incendiary remarks about the environment.

1. The only way to get our society to truly change is to frighten people with the possibility of a catastrophe.” - emeritus professor Daniel Botkin
2. “Global Sustainability requires the deliberate quest of poverty, reduced resource consumption and set levels of mortality control.” - Professor Maurice King
3. “My three main goals would be to reduce human population to about 100 million worldwide, destroy the industrial infrastructure and see wilderness, with it’s full complement of species, returning throughout the world.” -Dave Foreman, co-founder of Earth First!
4. “A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal.” - Ted Turner, founder of CNN and major UN donor
5. “The extinction of the human species may not only be inevitable but a good thing.” - Christopher Manes, Earth First!
6. “Childbearing should be a punishable crime against society, unless the parents hold a government license. All potential parents should be required to use contraceptive chemicals, the government issuing antidotes to citizens chosen for childbearing.” - David Brower, first Executive Director of the Sierra Club
7. “The big threat to the planet is people: there are too many, doing too well economically and burning too much oil.” – Sir James Lovelock, BBC Interview

   Also examples of hate speech from the Left nobody seems to be upset about, as well as, the fact that Loughner was a left wing guy?

1. Left Wing associations for Loughner - As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy,” the former classmate, Caitie Parker, wrote in a series of Twitter feeds Saturday. “I haven’t seen him since ’07 though. He became very reclusive.” http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/09/us/politics/09shooter.html?_r=1http://www.bloggernews.net/125845http://www.prisonplanet.com/liberal-smear-machine-backfires-after-gunman-found-to-be-occultist-pot-smoking-left-winger.html

1. Examples of other Hate Speech, were you as offended: Rahm Emmanuel and other Democrats ridicule mentally challenged downs syndrome individuals; especially Sarah Palin as she has downs syndrome child. http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2010/02/05/liberal-hate-speech/

Americam Latina #1.39

Boy....it sure doesn't take much to move Veralto to anger, does it. A personal attack on you basically because you disagree with him. Good thing you weren't discussing this issue in person with him....he may be "packing" as the gunnuts like to say.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2011/01/12/20110112politics-insider0112.html

An AZ. lawmaker apparently breaks the law because her house was broken into 10 years ago. Only in today's AZ.

Really?

the right wing calls for blood and even assassination

the liberals call people stupid and ignorant but do not call for violence

I mean that, really?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sm361Nbj-rc

AZPADDY #1.31...........The G.O.P. has perfected attack hate-speech politics to the level of a dark art form, with Sarah Palin

read about the Stockholm Syndrome.....(Wikipedia.com)......it is real......In my opinion the gop/fox, the propaganda arm of the gop has perfected this syndrome......It is being conducted over our Fed. Govt. licensed airwaves 24/7.....

This points out the idiocy and inability to speak the truth on the left. Shame on you all. Sheriff Dupnik is covering his rear end. There were numerous complaints about Loughner and the victims were told that he was being "handled" by the mental health community (an out and out lie) and that if they pressed charges it would cause more problems that it would help. That is because Laughner's mommy works for the county and is buddies with the sheriff. This is NOT, by any stretch of the imagination a product of political rhetoric and IS a product of the sheriff looking the other way for one of his cronie's kids. ALL Democrats by the way, no wonder no one wants to go there. They are screaming and pointing as much and as loudly as they can at the right to keep people from finding out what really happened. He lied about this guy being "handled" by the mental health community, because if he was, he would never have been able to buy a gun. Why isn't anyone asking where an unemployed nutcase was able to get enough money to buy an expensive gun. I'd bet a year's pay that he got the money from mommy. His parents are now saying they are shocked by his behaviour. Really? If everyone around him is saying the guy scares them to death and his own parents can't see it, how blind are they? Or is it dishonest? There is plenty of blame to go around here, but none of you have realized just where is should lie yet. You can keep this up, but eventually you'll all look pretty bad when the truth comes out, and it will come out. You guys started this fight and we BEGGED you not to go there, but since you have, hey lets get the FACTS out there where EVERYONE can see them.

reddirthippy

Because no matter how hard you try to change you will always be a cockroach.

and the Fer's will be around forever.

When groups of people are delusional; they call it RELIGION.

Or a political party

I think that is the allusion that was being made, that the right is less of a party and more of a religion.

Deb,

I have read numerous posts about Laughner's previous death threats, and even that he was in custody the Saturday night before the shootings. But I can't find any reporting on this other than conservative opinion blogs - no paper in the country seems to have reported it.

Do you have a source?

I saw where he was suspended from attending college because he represented a threat to others and himself. Mental illness, public threats, doesn't seem like Rush Limbaugh is at fault, but parents, law enforcement, and mental health professionals maybe?

It is just amazinig to me that NO GOPer or Teabagger wants to admit that the hate speech that is spewed on a daily basis by Glen Beck, Rush Limberger and Hannity, is wrong or could cause anything bad. You all are not pure as the driven snow and neither are the lefties. But look back at the last 50 yrs and who is it that's been assassinated? JFK, Bobby Kennedy, Martin Luther King, and John Lennon. All Democrats who worked for peace, but apparently their work was so threatening that paranoid and criminal men had to take them out. Hate speech whether it comes from the left or right has no place in this country. But you will continue to deny that anything done by your heroes is wrong, so I predict it will happen again somewhere, some place again, because when good people are silent, evil abounds. Haven't any of you learned anything from history? If Sarah Palin did nothing wrong, why did she remove and dismantle her website lickety split? Actions speak much louder than words and she can protest all she wants, but her chickens have come home to roost and she wants to explain or talk it away. Won't happen, she's done!

So far I have heard it on two radio stations. Quinn and Rose in the morning and Tom Sullivan in the afternoon. I found two articles for right now.

Yes they are right wing, at least the bottom one is. I think the other is just a local newspaper in AZ. But since the left doesn't want anyone to know the truth, of course they aren't printing any of it. They don't tell the whole story yet, but it will come out. That sheriff is covering his butt and he's doing a poor job of it. He can't even remember which lies he's told now. He told one reporter (heard the tape) that there were complaints just before the shooting and then told another reporter later that there had been no complaints. The man is lying through his teeth to cover his own butt and maybe a few more in the mental health community and the police community. Instead of jumping on the "hate Palin, Limbauch, Fox News" bandwagon, maybe you should get some information first so you don't look like a fool later when the truth comes out.

I think that is the allusion that was being made, that the right is less of a party and more of a religion.

Probably but I saying it applies to all political parties. They all seem a bit delusional to me and I think most americans. Just look at approval ratings for house and senate then haven't been above 30% in years and yet they claim to represent the people that is delusional.

Most people want them to get along and do something, both continue to push divisions that is delusional

Deb,

Instead of jumping on the "hate Palin, Limbauch, Fox News" bandwagon, maybe you should get some information first so you don't look like a fool later when the truth comes out.

That's exactly what I'm trying to do, so again I ask: do you have a source? I guess I should say 'Do you have a link?'.

Preferably one that is not just opinion, because we all have lots of those, but they aren't always based on fact.

But since the left doesn't want anyone to know the truth, of course they aren't printing any of it.

Fox News (among others like the Washington Times and the New York Post) could report on it, couldn't they?

Lynn you left out the assasination attempts on President Reagan and Ford and the actual assination of Lincoln and Garfield. All Republicans. Not to mention the actual MOVIE that the lefties made of the assasination of a SITTING PRESIDENT, President Bush. Oh and let's not forget those who burned President Bush in efigy. How come it didn't bother you when they did that? I don't think you can get any more inflamatory than that. I would say YOU haven't learned anything from history. Every single country that started limiting speech eventually became a dictatorship and millions of people were encarcerated or killed. What the left did to President Bush was disgusting, but I would never have taken away their right to do it. The consequences of limiting speech far outweigh the danger of one nutball now and then taking something the wrong way. And this particular nutball didn't even listen to the rhetoric you all say influenced him.

Deb, You might notice I used the words last 50 years and assassination not attempts. Don't worry you are going to be credited with your amount, nobody is trying to slight you all. Isn't the whole things very sad that we have to even be talking in terms like this? But my point is you all whine and whine and who is it that takes the brunt of most mentally unbalanced and paranoia? Its not you all, by a long run.

Deb,

It's been an hour and a half since I asked you to source your claims about Laughner. I see you all over this thread, but you haven't yet responded to a request for links to the claims you made.

Either source your claims, or retract them. It certainly doesn't help anyone when accusations are made that can't be substantiated.

I wouldn't hold my breath Physicist-retired. You are not likely to receive a response from Deb.

Deb-

So far I have heard it on two radio stations. Quinn and Rose in the morning

Surely you are joking? Quinn and Rose are hardly a credible news source; they are very right wing and are more like a comedy act than a serious news source -

Funny, I post here in a calm manner, pointing out both sides and shedding some light on what your own party has done, is doing and why both parties need to tone it down.

All I get is BS comments, hate remarks, people denying anything and everything that makes their party look bad... sad shiit.

Many of you rank up there as being as mentally stable as the idiot in Tuscon. I look forward to seeing you on the news someday doing something about as stupid.

Keep drinking the kool-aid, I hear it's made with GMO sugar and we all know how healthy that is for you.

Enjoy your hate forum, seems misery loves company.

pointing out both sides and shedding some light on what your own party has done,

Patrick that is not totally accurate. You have made four posts on this seed all four on this thread I believe and they have all been supportive of the right. Which is fine. But your main point was an unsuccessful attempt to make the left out to be a violence advocating party much like the Tea party radicals. This country was not in a coma this last year and particularly this past summer when our objections to the right wing tactics which were to threaten with violence anyone who held a different opinion than they did, were either ignored or rejected. Now the consequences of their actions are making themselves felt. And the right wingers don't like it.

This is so typical of the right. They advocate violence and spew out hate in the face of others objections. And when it comes back on them they say it was done on both sides.

gillanator

You have made four posts on this seed all four on this thread I believe and they have all been supportive of the right.

Let me get this straight here...you want him to support something he doesn't believe in to satisfy the Liberal need for entitlement? When did Liberals become entitled to our opinions? This is just fantastic! Liberals keep demonstrating just exactly what America would be like under their "Leadership". It would simply be all about them. We've already seen it...and we voted accordingly.

Let me get this straight here...you want him to support something he doesn't believe in to satisfy the Liberal need for entitlement?

No taao. I know this is probably going to be challenging to your level of comprehension and especially goes against your political indoctrination but what I wanted Patrick to do was to not claim something that was untrue. Not be a hypocrite. He claims when he said that he was "pointing out both sides" that he was trying to be bipartisan and objective. And he wasn't! And if you were capable of reading my post you would have seen that in my reply I said he was supportive of the right. And then I followed by saying "which is fine". I just didn't think he should claim to be bipartisan when he clearly wasn't.

So taao your whole post was for nothing. That of course would be nothing new to you and your rhetoric now would it?

Ewwww awwww owwwwww! Feelin that one! Typical Liberal hyperbole, so no harm, no foul. Let me give you a little insight concerning opinions. Everyone is entitled to their own. Just because you do not agree with them, does "not" make them unfactual. That again, is just simply "your" opinion.

Again I had no problem with his opinion. It was his trying to act as if his opinion was bipartisan when it wasn't. Can you understand this or should I type slower?

Also I don't think I need you to give me my opinion. And based on your incapability to even comprehend what myself or Patrick had posted I don't think you are qualified to interpret other peoples opinion. Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge Taao. But you obviously only gargled.

Gillantor said,

But your main point was an unsuccessful attempt to make the left out to be a violence advocating party much like the Tea party radicals. This country was not in a coma this last year and particularly this past summer when our objections to the right wing tactics which were to threaten with violence anyone who held a different opinion than they did, were either ignored or rejected. Now the consequences of their actions are making themselves felt. And the right wingers don't like it.

This is so typical of the right. They advocate violence and spew out hate in the face of others objections. And when it comes back on them they say it was done on both sides.

This is Dupnikism at its worst. Of course this Gill cannot point to anything from Tea Party positions that advocates violence. That's just a slanderous demagoguery of Loughner's murderous rampage, and amazingly Loaughner's close former friend has said he was a left-wing pot head. How the facts fly in your face Gill!

No what Liberals have no problem with...is everyone having "their" opinions, anything that deviates from that course is simply "unfactual" or unimportant hence open to leftist ridicule.

Loved the fountain of knowledge analogy....guess I can take comfort in the fact that at least one of us was actually able to find it. Since I am gargling from it...guess its pretty obvious I was able to do at least that.

Dupnikism. Creating your own vocabulary.

Of course this Gill cannot point to anything from Tea Party positions that advocates violence.

I think toting guns, stepping on the heads of political opponents, carrying signs with threats would be considered advocating violence.

How the facts fly in your face Gill!

If you can provide some I will be happy to tell you.

Deb, You might notice I used the words last 50 years and assassination not attempts. Don't worry you are going to be credited with your amount, nobody is trying to slight you all. Isn't the whole things very sad that we have to even be talking in terms like this? But my point is you all whine and whine and who is it that takes the brunt of most mentally unbalanced and paranoia? Its not you all, by a long run.

It's easy to cherry pick from one era or another and say it's all one side or the other. To be fair, go all the way back in history and you'll see niether side gets the "brunt" of it. Yes it is sad. But while you whine and whine also, you don't see it in yourself. The left does not take the brunt of it. For 8 years I turned on the TV only to hear some of the most horrible things I've ever heard about a president in my lifetime (53 yrs). But not one of you will own up to that.

Deb-

So far I have heard it on two radio stations. Quinn and Rose in the morning

Surely you are joking? Quinn and Rose are hardly a credible news source; they are very right wing and are more like a comedy act than a serious news source -

I posted two links, one to a local Phoenix newspaper and one to a right wing rag I like to read AND two radio stations, Quinn and Rose and Tom Sullivan. So are you saying unless it is what YOU deem a credible news source, none of my sources will be taken as valid? Nice. Might as well not even bother unless I read the same garbage you read. It wouldn't matter if God himself wrote it, you wouldn't believe it.

Deb,

There are no links in your response (#1.57). Can you repost them?

Deb has just learned an intuitive truth the hard way, civility and tolerance are reserved for those that are in lock-step with the left. List of Left oriented politicians and personalities, idolized by the left that said and did things much more egregious than right wing talk radio

• Saul Alinsky - Father of the liberal agenda and Obama's intellectual mentor, also was a professor for Hillary and Bill Clinton, and Pelosi - advocated armed insurrection against any political ideology that disagreed with his; this is the father of liberalism in the modern political period and here is a wonderful quote that sums up his, and the liberal left's dogma:http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/dnc_corruption.htm

"Rules for Radicals" begins with an unusual tribute: "From all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins – or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer."

The devil challenged authority and got his own kingdom, and that goes to the heart of what left is really about. That of course is to get power any way you can, including lying, cheating and stealing. The ultimate rule is that the ends justify the means. Saul Alinsky

• Maxine Waters - Mother of the LA Riots and her support for the Justice of rioting and the violence stemming from those riots. Interviewed in national media multiple times and excused the violence, killing and looting as justice. "NO JUSTICE NO PEACE". When the National Guard restored order so the non-rioting majority population could be protected and be free to come out of their houses Maxine said "The Military Occupation is Complete". In other words Maxine urged violence, excused it, and then in contemptuous fashion denigrated the soldiers that put their lives on the line to protect the residents of south central LA, tolerance from the left at its best. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303411604575168041790910582.html?mod=rss_Today%27s_Most_Popular

Young liberals this week flocked to the nation's capital to hear, among other things, liberal television pundit and Democrat political strategist Paul Begala accuse Republicans of wanting to kill him and his children to preserve tax cuts for the rich. Paul, Clinton Staffer is famous for incendiary statements like this one. I wonder how many liberals felt inclined to commit violent acts because they are told that all Republicans are murderers, and democrats and their families are in dire physical danger?

"All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman."
Catherine MacKinnon The tolerance of Feminism

"All men are rapists and that's all they are."
Marilyn French, Author; (later, advisor to Al Gore's Presidential Campaign.) Good ole Al Gore and his campaign adviser accusing all men of being rapists, heck, Al Gore was, at least with half a dozen massage therapists, wasn't he?

"You grow up with your father holding you down and covering your mouth so another man can make a horrible searing pain between your legs."
Catherine MacKinnon (Prominent legal feminist scholar; University of Michigan, & Yale.) More of that civility and tolerance from such renown liberal institutions as Yale and the University of Michigan, gotta love this civility

MSNBCtalkshow host Lawrence O'Donnell said of Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele, "Michael Steele is dancing for his real master, the RNC." Racial tolerance and civility, oh boy

The tell-all book Game Change reports that Senate Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reidsaid America would vote for Barack Obama because he was a "light-skinned" African-American "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one." Everybody knows that Reid is such a tolerant soul, right?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2361655/posts Chris Matthews fantasy of killing Rush Limbaugh

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2644544/posts Dec 10 2010 article in Salon "Kill Sarah Palin request"

Yeah, the liberals will put everyone in disagreement with their politics on trains, enroute to camps, to line up to be marched into the ovens; but hey, the good news is the trains, the camps, and especially the ovens will be environmentally friendly and have a very small carbon footprint.

Voted up AmericanConscience! Well stated!

Really, henry?

You agree that 'liberals' will put everyone else on trains headed for the ovens?

Those people marched through your country 70 years ago. Did they look like American progressives?

Wow. I'm out.

sigh....and just when I thought we were about to share an epiphany Henry; no harm no foul, all I can do is put the facts out there, I will keep trying to stem the tide of insane Liberalist censorship and intolerance.

Conscience as many times as it takes I will repost this. A short litany of violent, virulent, vitriol from the right. I'm not saying they caused this person to go lunar but the violent comments and dehumanization of all those that don't agree with their wacky ideas does bounce around in the nutcases heads.

Sorry Henry.

dwillie
Republican Presidential Candidate first GOPer to Blame Democrats for Giffords Assasination Attempt
Yeah, it really couldn't have anything at all to do with the below:
January 2010 - Sharon Angle, teabagger candidate for United States Senate
if this Congress keeps going the way it is, people are really looking toward those Second Amendment remedies....
March 2010 – Sarah Palin, former Alaska Governor and Vice Presidential candidat
"Don't Retreat, Instead - RELOAD!" Pls see my Facebook page.
The Facebook page that had Congresspeople in crosshairs.
April 2010 – Allan West, then teabagger congressional candidate referring to his opponent.
“Let me tell you what you’ve got to do. You’ve got to make the fellow scared to come out of his house.
April 2009 – Michael McCaul, republican congressman from Texas
They fought against tyranny and oppressive taxes, do that sound familiar? We’re continuing that revolution right here in Austin, Texas today. Thomas Jefferson said the Tree of Liberty will be fed by the blood of tyrants and patriots. You are the modern day patriots.
March 2009 – Michelle Bachmann, teabagger congresswoman from Minnesota
I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax
March 2010 - Steve King, Iowa GOP congressman in a speech to teabaggers
Let’s beat that other side to a pulp. Let’s take them out, let’s chase them down.
October 2010 – Gregg Harper, GOP congressman from Mississippi
"We hunt liberal, tree-hugging Democrats, although it's a waste of good ammunition."
September 2010 – Political consultant Rick Winters tweeting about Media Matters
explain to me why the MMFA boys don't get curbstomped fortnightly?
October 2009 – South Florida congressional candidate Robert Lowry fired a weapon at a target featuring the initials of his opponent Debbie Wasserman-Schultz
October 2009 – GOP official Terry Jorgenson about congressman Tim Walz
I want to come through and choke the man...
February 2010 – Tim Pawlenty, former Governor of Minnesota
We should take a page out of her playbook and take a 9-iron and smash the window out of big government.[...]If you try to take our freedoms, we will fight back.
May 2010 – Brad Goehring, GOP congressional candidate
If I could issue hunting permits, I would officially declare today opening day forliberals. The season would extend through November 2 and have no limits on how many taken as we desperately need to "thin" the herd.
March 2010 – Michael Steele, Republican National Committee Chair
So let's start getting Nancy ready for the firing line this November!
October 2010 - Stephen Broden, teabagger candidate for Congress
"Our nation was founded on violence; the option is on the table,"
"...we have a right to get rid of that government and to get rid of it by any means necessary."

PALIN PUTS GUN SIGHTS ON “TARGET” MAP; URGES WE “RELOAD”
http://radio.foxnews.com/2010/03/24/palin-puts-gun-sights-on-%E2%80%9Ctarget%E2%80%9D-map-urges-we-%E2%80%9Creload%E2%80%9D/
Tea Party Rhetoric: “Nothing better than a dead liberal”
http://bluewavenews.com/blog/2011/01/09/tea-party-rhetoric-nothing-better-than-a-dead-liberal/
Save a seal club a liberal
We came unarmed this time
Warning if brown can't stop it a Browning can
Right wing violence
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=100917659372037806288.0004828ef8239ccbe7445&source=embed&ll=42.5207,-90.263672&spn=26.708708,67.631836&z=5&iwloc=000482a5ee75915d9de89
Health Care Town Halls Turn Violent in Tampa and St. Louis

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/08/07/health-care-town-halls-turn-violent-tampa-st-louis#ixzz1AaROPuVC

Hate Crimes on the Rise as Republican Rhetoric Reaches Epic Heights
http://bluewavenews.com/blog/2010/08/27/hate-crimes-on-the-rise-as-republican-rhetoric-reaches-epic-heights/
Anti-Choice Terrorists Leave Dead Animals and Threats at Women’s Health Clinics

''I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choki...ng the life out.''
—Glenn Beck, May 17, 2005

''The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel.'''
—Sarah Palin

''Barack Obama ... chose to use his name Barack for a reason -- to identify, not with America -- you don't take the name Barack to identify with America. You take the name Barack to identify with what? Your heritage? The heritage, maybe, o...f your father in Kenya, who is a radical? Is -- really? Searching for something to give him any kind of meaning, just as he was searching later in life for religion.''
—Glenn Beck

''I wish the American media would take a great look at the views of the people in Congress and find out: Are they pro-America or anti-America?''
—Rep. Michelle Bachmann, calling for a new McCarthyism, Oct. 2008

"I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus - living fossils - so we will never forget what these people stood for."
- Rush Limbaugh,
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building."
- Ann Coulter
"I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."
- Grover Norquist, President of Americans for Tax Reform
"Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him."
- Rep. James Hansen (R-UT
"I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you. This is not a message of hate; this is a message of redemption. But a condition like this will bring about the destruction of your nation. It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes and possibly a meteor."
- Pat Robertson, speaking of organizers putting rainbow flags up around Orlando to support sexual diversity, Washington Post, 06-10-98. For the record, Orlando remains undestroyed by meteors.
"Environmentalists are a socialist group of individuals that are the tool of the Democrat Party. I'm proud to say that they are my enemy. They are not Americans, never have been Americans, never will be Americans."
- Rep. Don Young (R-AK), Alaska Public Radio, 08-19-96
"I don't understand how poor people think."
- George W. Bush, confiding in the Rev. Jim Wallis, New York Times, 08-26-03
"We're going to keep building the party until we're hunting Democrats with dogs."
- Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX), Mother Jones, 08-95
"Homosexuals want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers."
- Pat Robertson again, The 700 Club, 01-18-95
"Chelsea is a Clinton. She bears the taint; and though not prosecutable in law, in custom and nature the taint cannot be ignored. All the great despotisms of the past - I'm not arguing for despotism as a principle, but they sure knew how to deal with potential trouble - recognized that the families of objectionable citizens were a continuing threat. In Stalin's penal code it was a crime to be the wife or child of an 'enemy of the people.' The Nazis used the same principle, which they called Sippenhaft, 'clan liability.' In Imperial China, enemies of the state were punished 'to the ninth degree': that is, everyone in the offender's own generation would be killed and everyone related via four generations up, to the great-great-grandparents, and four generations down, to the great-great-grandchildren, would also be killed."
- John Derbyshire, National Review, 02-15-01
"The homosexual blitzkrieg has been better planned and executed than Hitler's."
- Rep. William Dannemeyer (R-CA), The New Republic, 08-01-94
"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."
- Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02
"Quit looking at the symbols. Get out and get a job. Quit shooting each other. Quit having illegitimate babies."
- State Rep. John Graham Altman (R-SC), addressing African-American concerns about the 'symbol' of the Confederate Flag, New York Times, 01-24-97
"Two things made this country great: White men & Christianity. The degree these two have diminished is in direct proportion to the corruption and fall of the nation. Every problem that has arisen (sic) can be directly traced back to our departure from God's Law and the disenfranchisement of White men."
- State Rep. Don Davis (R-NC), emailed to every member of the North Carolina House and Senate, reported by the Fayetteville Observer, 08-22-01
"I'm the commander - see, I don't need to explain - I don't need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the President. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."
- George W. Bush, Washington Post, 11-19-02

October 2008. Two white supremacists planning to go on a massive shooting spree in Tennessee, then to assassinate candidate Obama, were caught before they could act.
Aug. 4, 2009:Jody Billingsley, Elizabeth Gannon, and Heidi Overmier are murdered at a Pittsburgh fitness club. The killer, George Sodini, is widely described in media as profoundly lonely, but some news accounts also mention his blog's racist jokes, comments on the "liberal media," the "Obama economy", and the election of "The Black Man" in 2008. ..
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=8258001&page=1
April 25, 2009:Sheriff's deputies Burt Lopez and Warren "Skip" York, on a domestic violence call, are shot and killed by Joshua Cartwright, who is killed as police return fire. Cartwright's widow tells investigators that he "believed the government was conspiring against him", and that he was "severely disturbed" that Barack Obama had been elected President. ...
http://www.wkrg.com/crime/article/community_mourns_officers/25642/Apr-28-2009_8-35-am/
June 10, 2009:Security guard Stephen Johns is shot and killed at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum in Washington DC, by James von Brunn, a white supremacist, anti-Semitic birther with a long record of arrests and violent tendencies. ..
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-06-10-holocaust-museum-shooting_N.htm
Feb. 18, 2010:Internal Revenue Service manager Vernon Hunter is killed by businessman Joe Stack's kamikaze attack on a federal office building in Austin, Texas. The political views in Stack's rambling suicide note seem off the wall in ways that defy categorization as right or left, but he is widely and immediately hailed as a hero across the radical right-wing, specifically because his attack was against IRS offices. ...
http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stacks-insane-manifesto-2010-2
April 4, 2009:Pittsburgh police officers Eric Kelly, Steve Mayhle, and Paul Sciullo are killed by gunman Richard Poplawski. The killer is described in media accounts as a white supremacist who had posted a Glenn Beck video to one of the numerous hate sites he frequented, and who was worried by the false right-wing meme that President Obama is preparing to confiscate everyone's guns. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Pittsburgh_police_shootings#Political_views
Feb. 26, 2009:College students Nicolas Pablo Corp-Torres and Racine Balbontin-Aragondona are shot and killed and three others are wounded by Danny Baker. He is described in news accounts as a Republican Party activist, reportedly driven by racism, who targeted his victims because they were Chilean. ..
http://www.nwfdailynews.com/news/baker-15572-rhoads-jail.html
Dec. 9, 2008:Millionaire neo-Nazi James G. Cummings is shot and killed by his wife, Amber Cummings, after what she describes as years of domestic abuse. Investigators find a cache of "radiological dispersal device components and literature, and radioactive materials" for constructing a dirty bomb, and describe Cummings as "a lone, disturbed individual". His wife says that he had been especially furious in recent weeks over the election of Barack Obama. ...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/10/james-g-cummings-slain-us_n_173640.htmlAug. 13, 2008:Bill Gwatney, chair of the Alabama Democratic Party, is shot and killed at Party headquarters in Little Rock by Timothy Dale Johnson.
Tucker says he and other classmates do recall Johnson being vocal about his views.
"I would always remember going to class and I would see that he had a Bill Clinton anti-campaign sticker [on his car] that says I don't miss Bill. "He would surf the internet and he would see that a Democrat had died and he would laugh about it."
http://www.todaysthv.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=70912&catid=2
July 28, 2008:Churchgoers Linda Kreager and Greg McKendry are shot and killed and five others are wounded at Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, by gunman Jim David Adkisson. The murderer later tells police that he targeted Unitarians because of the church's "liberal teachings and his belief that all liberals should be killed". In the gunman's home, police find a collection of right-wing literature including Let Freedom Ring by Sean Hannity, The O'Reilly Factor by Bill O'Reilly, and Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder by Michael Savage. ...
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2008/jul/29/suspects-note-cites-liberal-movement-church-attack/
not to forget bricks thrown through Democrat windows , gas lines cut , phone threats ................
Remember When Beck Ridiculed Pelosi For Speaking Out Against Violent Tea Party Rhetoric?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOmNVBaGF0Q&feature=player_embedded
Glenn Beck’s Top Ten Reasons To Kill Your Congressman
• January 19, 2010: The progressive movement is sucking the blood out of each of the parties. This is their opportunity to finally win and progressives will, admittedly, do anything to win. They’ll lie, cheat, steal. Do you really think you can pull them off your neck with a ballot box? You must drive a steak through the heart of this movement. … [Obama]‘s not a Democrat. He is a progressive.
• June 10, 2010: Shoot me in the head if you try to change our government. I will stand against you and so will millions of others. We believe in something. You in the media and most in Washington don’t. [...] They believe in communism. They believe and have called for a revolution. You’re going to have to shoot them in the head. But warning, they may shoot you.
• November 13, 2009: Barack Obama and Congress are selling you a bill of goods. It is only when you take down the mask of sunshine and lollipops that you will see the real thing – the real image. Destruction. These bills are creating the path to America’s destruction.
• July 23, 2010: They’ve already taken over health care. Is there any greater control than that of deciding the fate of someone’s life?
• July 23, 2010: The financial regulation that the president signed into law yesterday is an unprecedented assault on our economy, our ability to do business and, quite honestly, the republic as we know it.
• October 30, 2009: When you pull back the curtain, you will see that free speech is being eradicated for controlled speech: Control over the media; control over the Internet; control over you.
• March 8, 2010: There is an effort to indoctrinate [our kids]. … Even President Obama, in his own Web site, targeting our children. … Get the kids out of this indoctrination or our republic will be lost.
• April 24, 2007: I have been telling you for months now that illegal immigration is creating a new civil war in this country.
• September 2, 2009: I’m going to show you the beginning of something that should scare the living daylights out of you. It is propaganda in America. The National Endowment for the Arts is now holding conference calls.
• December 14, 2009: The climate cult wants more than just your recycling bin. … what they want is total submission.

And it is only from the right, and you are politically aligned with those interests that oppose the right, so therefore, what you are posting is a fair unbiased look at our entire political spectrum? You totally blew right past the part of my post that includes Saul Alinsky, who is the puppet master for the Clintons and Obamas. Alinsky wants to blow up schools, burn people to death in the streets, and create so much terror that the right caves and surrenders to his brand of politics. This is the father of your liberal party; Bill Ayers actually planted and detonated a bomb in the Pentagon, he is a trusted member of Obama's inner circle. The black panther party is a terrorist vigilante group that is inflicting violence on the voters to Protect Obama at town hall meetings and at voting polls, and the Obama white house is protecting them from prosecution. Big difference between talking and doing, seems like liberals and democrats are doing all the damn things that you say the right is talking about.

How about immigrant organizations like La Raza that advocate annhilation of Gringo occupation of their country, you dont think that is tantamount to declaring a race war; La Raza is a huge part of the Liberal establishment.

What about Angela Davis, prominent member of the Liberal establishment, Murderer, terrorist, (she didnt tell people to do it, she actually did it), advocates killing whitey and all the oreos, black on the outside white on the inside.

Obama is indoctrinating our kids, Climate change does advocate Genocide to protect the planet, illegal immigration is creating a race war, the banksters that Obama continues to appoint to his cabinet are robbing the country and destroying it, socialized health care is about subjugation of the middle class, (READ ALINSKY OBAMA MENTOR), and progressives, in THEIR OWN WORDS, WILL LIE CHEAT STEAL OR KILL TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS, read Alinsky, and then Read Clinton and Obama on Alinsky.

so is it hate speech to say that America is under seige and its citizens in dire mortal danger, or is it simply the truth?

Do dear boy, I'm trying to point out to you deniers that the right's violent rhetoric is almost an everyday thing and trying to minimize it is a fairy tale.

Then again you bring up such small points about the left it's laughable.

BTW I don't have to reach for my examples they're current. Yours hahahahahaah

Read about how innocent the Left really is Edison, if you dare. I am posting the key to understanding how diabolical the Liberalist Agenda really is. Or just google Alinksy and Liberal agenda and see what you come up with big man.

How about the father of modern liberalism? An actual University Professor for Bill and Hillary Clinton, a self professed hero of Barack Obama; (in his own words in both biographical works), as well as, inspirations of Pelosi, Boxer, Bill Ayers (who actually built and exploded bombs against innocent people, and is also one of Barak's closest friends and influences) the father of Democratic liberalism et al?

Saul Alinsky - who taught liberal democrats one simple rule, the ends justifies the means. So if what liberals say is true about right wing talk show radio, (big stretch), then the entire liberalist agenda and every prominent person within today's liberalist cadre must be refuted by all of you that condemn Rush, or, the condemnation isn't about safety, or decency, but about furthering your personal politics by destroying the rights of others to listen to any opposing ideas, true? BTW, Hillary was his most prized pupil, hmmmm?

• Saul Alinsky - Father of the liberal agenda and Obama's intellectual mentor, also was a professor for Hillary and Bill Clinton, and Pelosi, as he was, the mentor and influence of one of Obama's closest friends, Bill Ayers - advocated armed insurrection, bombs, terrorism, and killing of innocent people as part of a war against any political ideology that disagreed with liberalism; this is the father of liberalism in the modern political period and here is a wonderful quote that sums up his, and the liberal left's dogma:http://www.tysknews.com/Articles/dnc_corruption.htm

"Rules for Radicals" begins with an unusual tribute: "From all our legends, mythology, and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins – or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom – Lucifer."The devil challenged authority and got his own kingdom, and that goes to the heart of what left is really about. That of course is to get power any way you can, including lying, cheating and stealing. The ultimate rule is that the ends justify the means. Saul Alinsky in his dedication to "Rules for Radicals" a book that Barrack, Michelle, Hillary, and Bill have built their political lives around.

AmericanConscience

You sound like a broken record AmericanConscience what you don't want to admit is that the Rules for Radicals is the hand book of the right wing. You just refuse to see it. Everything in it is being used by your buddies in their violent bull@!$%#.

I've always wondered how many people who use Alinsky as a stick to hit their opposition have even read his book.

Edison-great work, keep it up.

I have a copy and I have read it, similarly to Mein Kaumpf, have YOU? For instance, did you catch the section detailing Alinsky's contemt for the rank and file supporters, he considers them expendable. Or, the fact that any LIE, TERRORIST EVENT, MURDER, VIOLENT ACT, is justified to take political power, the ends justifies the means.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt

but hey, when the facts are inconvenient, just deny and make your own up. I posted my link, with the dedication to LUCIFER, hello??????

Keep your head in the sand Conscience.

Never even heard about this book until the right started screaming about how all lefties are breast fed it.

Btw... you do realize fundamentalists are radicals of a sort... they radically opposed to change.

Rahlly, access the link, do your own research. It starts with a dedication to Lucifer, proclaimed the first greatest radical Liberal. Also read about Alinsky and how idolized he is by Obama, Clinton, and the rest of the heirarchy of the Democratic Party. Hey, if you have to courage to do some reading, in Hillary's and Barracks own words, you might learn a different version of what is going on behind the curtain.

Conscience

It seems to me that you are the one that doesn't read anything that's shows truth.

AmericanConscience - don't forget the part in Alinski's book that says to blame the conservatives for everything you are doing. Point fingers and lie. Keep them off guard and on the defensive. Call them stupid, violent, racists, regardless of the facts. Argue emotions, not facts. That is the first page in their playbook. From what you've posted, I can tell you already know that. You just forgot to include it with all the other stuff. Great post by the way! I'm sure you know you won't get any of them to agree with you no matter how much proof you put in their face. Their first line of defense is to deny everything, no matter how silly they look. With this AZ thing, most people are laughing at them now, they look so ridiculous. All polls say only about 30% of the country believes their crap, which is the far left progressive 30%.

@ EdisonEllis - Hillary Clinton did a college paper on Alinski and says over and over again how much she admires him and follows his example.

Deb - you got that right - I do not deem Q & R to be a credible news source - they are right wing talk radio hosts -