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Wikileaks. Curse or blessing? Poll.

Sat Dec 4, 2010 4:26 AM EST
world-news, us, julian-assange, vietnam-war, pentagon-papers, wiki-leaks, daniel-ellsberg
By henry1966

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Wiki-Leaks? Curse or blessing?

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  • 127509
    Curse.
    21%
  • 127510
    Blessing.
    73%
  • 127511
    No opinion.
    6%

VoteTotal Votes: 33

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Can we compare the publishing of countless documents by Wiki-Leaks with that other big leak in recent history, the publication of the Pentagon Papers during the early 1970's by Daniel Ellsberg ?

Or is that comparison biased. The Pentagon papers were mainly facts about the roots of America's role on the Vietnam War. Wiki-Leaks most recent dump are thousands of unfiltered documents with the vague purpose of being transparent, at least that's what the critics say.

Julian Assange is causing some food for thought. Sweden wants him convicted for being connected to being a rapist and a women abuser but at the same time he has the most votes to become Australia's man of the year.

Countries like Germany discovered that a chief of staff was spying for the US and immediately made sure this person was no longer able to be chief of staff. On the other hand it causes other countries to agree with each other on political asylum for Julian Assange.

Quiet some discrepancy as you can read. Therefore I wonder if we have to consider the Wiki-Leaks as a curse or a blessing?

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henry1966

Thank you in advance for your vote and possible input.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 4:27 AM EST
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henry1966

Apparently we need to be more focused on the Military and the Feds leaking all this information than the person posting it.

He was just the messenger and although he knew the risks about publishing confidential material the uproar about the person is a welcome distraction for most countries.

    #1.2 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 12:59 AM EST
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    Toni-2750456

    Assange being wanted for rape and abuse of women tells part of the story. He is not doing these deeds for a good purpose only to be in control and in position of power in society. Taking things that do not belong to him and misusing his power recklessly is unethical. He has intentionally put many peoples lives in jeopardy. I have nothing against legal information passed from legitimate sources but he has crossed the line of respect with his thievery of the classified documents. Believe me I am as curious as the next person to know what is revealed is in all the documents but not at the risk of hurting others. Assange is a criminal and should not gain esteem for his acts of disrespect toward our laws and government confidential information. This is another attack to bring down our society and chip away the foundation of our well being as american citizens.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 5:50 AM EST
    henry1966

    Assange is a criminal and should not gain esteem for his acts of disrespect toward our laws and government confidential information.

    Tough to comment back on this one. I agree that his activities are criminal and that he brings people's live even in danger. Then again, if he just would have written a daily column about it with a little piece of evidence, how would the world have reacted. Because we all, like you mentioned are curious.

    This is another attack to bring down our society and chip away the foundation of our well being as american citizens.

    It's not only the US who's under fire.

      #2.1 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 7:53 AM EST
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      Andnow

      Toni,

      Assange didn't wear a condom, which constitutes rape in Sweden. That is the charge against him! The sex was consensual.

       

        Reply#3 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 6:31 AM EST
        JanCanDo

        No kidding? That was the charge...lol.

          #3.1 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 9:50 AM EST
          henry1966

          We all should be charged then..lol

          • 1 vote
          #3.2 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 10:02 AM EST
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          Bernie Valentine

          Maybe I missed something, but I would think that if any crime was committed, it is the fault of the "hacker" who "somehow" got this information and then "sold or disseminated it" to the highest bidder.

          Charge the "hacker", YES.

          Find fault with our inept security procedures, YES.

          But, the last time I looked.....we still had "Freedom of the Press"!?

          Just my opinion, of course.

          And, YES ...the "rape" case charge was returned "lacking sufficient evidence".

          • 3 votes
          Reply#4 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 7:19 AM EST
          henry1966

          Maybe I missed something, but I would think that if any crime was committed, it is the fault of the "hacker" who "somehow" got this information and then "sold or disseminated it" to the highest bidder.

          Good point Bernie.

          But, the last time I looked.....we still had "Freedom of the Press"!?

          True, that's what makes it complicated.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#5 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 7:55 AM EST
          Professor PP Poopypants

          I'm with Valentine on this-----wikileaks did no wrongdoing any more than other media representatives.

          There may be treason, there may be wrongdoing, but the culprit is the hacker (hacking is a crime by the way) or Bradley Manning, perhaps , not wikileaks.

          This is a pretty open and shut case. There is no case against Wikileaks. Anyone saying otherwise is deliberately trying to confuse the issue.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#6 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 8:03 AM EST
          henry1966

          , but the culprit is the hacker (hacking is a crime by the way)

          I'm with you. It tells us also how security failed on that part.

            #6.1 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 10:04 AM EST
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            JanCanDo

            Assange being wanted for rape and abuse of women tells part of the story.

            I don't believe this. I don't believe Assange has raped and abused women, period.

            Faux sexual allegations is the main trick of the trade when a government wants to go after someone. They can hurls those charges and treat their targets as guilty until proven innocent. Faux sexual charges isolates the victims and turns people against their target. This one is obvious.

              Reply#7 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 9:45 AM EST
              henry1966

              I don't believe this. I don't believe Assange has raped and abused women, period.

              I have no proof either.

              • 1 vote
              Reply#8 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 10:04 AM EST
              Yearning

              Last I heard, the warrant for rape and molestation has been rescinded... but things seem to change pretty quickly.

              One leaked cable talks about the VP of Afghanistan being caught on his way to the UAE with $52 million in US currency. He was released to go to the UAE with it.

              As much as I can sympathize that maybe just perhaps a leak might cost US lives, it seems that secrets might also cost US lives, and that outing a secret like this might save lives.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#9 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 1:20 PM EST
              henry1966

              As much as I can sympathize that maybe just perhaps a leak might cost US lives, it seems that secrets might also cost US lives, and that outing a secret like this might save lives.

              Well said.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#10 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 2:40 PM EST
              Yearning

              China also fears the web and hacks and censors things so that folks there won't know what sort of government they have.

              Word is, keeping folks in the dark helps control the population politically wise.

              I imagine it does.

                Reply#11 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 6:36 PM EST
                henry1966

                China also fears the web and hacks and censors things so that folks there won't know what sort of government they have.

                But that's communism :-)

                  Reply#12 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 8:19 PM EST
                  Yearning

                  Well, if an American were to get information about Tibet from a Chinese government worker, and inform the Chinese people about it... Would we expect China to go after the American...hack his site, frame him for crimes, have other countries and several private businesses cooperate in his prosecution? Would they warn their people not to be reading it?

                  I don't know if the Chinese government is that audacious.

                  Somebody is a friggin' megalomaniac.

                    Reply#13 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 1:20 AM EST
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