HENRY1966

Perfectionist and therefore never satisfied.

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A gathering for incivility and rudeness. Just post them here.

Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:54 AM EST

newsvine, behavior, personal, attacks, meta, comments, vulgar, incivility

By henry1966

I thought this would visualize the idea pretty accurate.

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Some may know, some might not know but I just returned from a long break. The first thing I've done after logging into Newsvine was reading as much articles as I could. And I started out on Metavine because that gives me a pretty good insight of the fact that nothing much has changed. And I wasn't disappointed at all, it lived quite up to the standards I've seen on a daily base.

Rudeness, incivility, name calling, personal attacks by people who call themselves grown ups. Sometimes I can't help wondering how those conversations would evolve while sitting at one table facing each other. Would we really lower ourselves to that kind of uncivilized behavior?

We as members of Newsvine can report those comments ( dogfights if you prefer) or even delete them. We also have the Newsvine Staff who have the pleasant job of taking care of business and may judge what to do when members go overboard.

An idea popped up in mind in this morning and I'm just going to propose it here. If you don't try you won't achieve nothing at all I like to add. I'm asking everyone who reads a comment that obviously is written with the purpose to attack someone else in a vulgar, rude and uncivilized way to copy that comment and paste it into this article as a new comment. Don't mention the author of the comment nor the article it was generated from.

If this works the NV staff hopefully has an easier entrance to comments that just don't belong in a community like this and if we all take the time to look at this article once in a while it will guarantee our sanity and we will have awareness of what's going on at times instead of being lured into the article itself.

I realize it's a tricky attempt and it can't become a place where personal conflicts can be fought. It's not a place where you can post comments of someone you're having intense discussions with just to make the other person look bad. We can't allow that and it shall be monitored. I'm sure we all know which comments I do speak of and the soul purpose is to filter them for the reasons as described above.

Consider it as big dumpster for things we don't want to see around here and we want to get rid off.

The COH strictly applies here.

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henry1966

Again, Code of Honor strictly applies. It's an idea. If it doesn't work I'll just delete it. That simple. Thank you in advance for your cooperation and thinking along.

- Have a Great day.

4 votes

#1 - Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:56 AM EST

Scott (Scoop) Butki

I make a point of not letting the percentage of newsvine time spent reading meta not go over 5 or 10 percent otherwise it increases the feeling that all is not well at this site when i think the reality is 99 percent like it fine.

so glad you're back henry

5 votes

#1.1 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:23 PM EST

CL1

Scott, that's a great perspective, and it would seem you are probably right. Out of maybe 50K users, there might only be less than 50 unsatisfied users. I don't know, but my guess is that the majority of those don't frequent the site very often.

1 vote

#1.2 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:35 PM EST

henry1966

I make a point of not letting the percentage of newsvine time spent reading meta not go over 5 or 10 percent otherwise it increases the feeling that all is not well at this site when i think the reality is 99 percent like it fine.

And you made a fair point Scott. It must be the fact that after a break I immediately notice the wrong ones being wrong :-)

4 votes

#1.3 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:09 AM EST

Scott (Scoop) Butki

thanks, henry. i avoid watching msnbc and fox for the same reasons - if you watch those shows you start to hear and see conflict all the time and it can really get one down

4 votes

#1.4 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:27 AM EST

CL1

Also, there are a handful of 'attack' style authors and commenters. Emotional abuse stands out, gets us down, and might make us think it's more prevalent than it really is.

2 votes

#1.5 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 11:37 AM EST

henry1966

if you watch those shows you start to hear and see conflict all the time and it can really get one down

Don't watch those either.

and might make us think it's more prevalent than it really is.

Agreed and well said.

2 votes

#1.6 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:29 PM EST

Luke Wright

Hey there henry1966. Good to see you back at it!

My question is why the discrepancies in suspensions Tyler(or any moderator?). This guy:

http://jamescole2380631.newsvine.com/_news/2010/11/18/5489945-time-to-feel-obamas-wrath

is threatening people with bodily harm, calling them racists and other foul things and threatening to come and find those making comments and hurt them. He only got suspended for a day? Really? For threatening bodily harm? Why is this, can somebody please explain why he is not banned yet others are banned for using a word like libt@#$?

7 votes

#1.7 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:20 PM EST

henry1966

Hey there henry1966. Good to see you back at it!

Good to see you as well Luke :-) I can't answer your question although I see the discrepancy in general.

5 votes

#1.8 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 4:39 PM EST

Heckofawoman

CL1 - not to disrespect you but you sure added fuel to a hate article about me on more then one by a certain member....which is why I went off on you on Peter's article about Say what you want to anyone you want...not behind your back, but to you....I have since let it go..but that is the very thing that I felt showed your character to me. It hurt me greatly. I told you so and you did it. Don't ever question me about it, it's all copied.....but like I said, by gones be by gones. I'm too old for that juvenile crap. Hek, respectfully.

5 votes

#1.9 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:17 PM EST

CL1

We might have been miscommunicating in Mac's article that day. I thought you might have misunderstood me there, but I didn't try to correct what you were saying because I thought it was the wrong place to do so.

This probably is, too. Okay, quickly, ...yes, I supported "him" because of you believing "other people" instead of believing what I told you was the truth...and so did a whole lot of others here...I was "hurt" by you - Heck. ...As for Peter's article, my interpretation of that was that you were still treating me the same as you had been in defense of "C" -"N" -"L" - "B" - "E" what I assume they told you -- atleast "C" told me she forwarded my emails....unbelievable that anyone would do something like that. ....But, I always knew you were attacking me because I supported "his" article.

Well, I'll probably never get over what the one person did to me -- but the rest of you were just supporting her, and I have decided to accept it, move on, and be civil to you all -- because that is normally how I treat people.

I have put it behind me, and I'm done with it. But whether you agree or understand what I feel you did to me, doesn't matter anymore -- all that matters is that you know I wasn't coming at you for no reason -- I was angry that you were listening to someone else and not giving my story a chance. That is terrible that anyone would put another person in the position that she put me in by shipping out all of my private emails to her friends. Actually, I don't know if you got them all -- which would make a huge difference because I --actually changed my mind about a few people I had originally commented on ---I didn't know that all of you already knew each other before I joined NV -- had I known that, it would have changed my original opinions.

Anyway, I don't feel that I did anything wrong, Hek....You hurt me and that article was a chance to let out a lot of pent up anger.

I hope we can just put it behind us. ..I had never planned on saying anything to you in Peter's article or here. You baited me (documented by the number on the post) in Peter's article, along with several others. I don't want anymore "high-school" either.

I hope we will just put it behind us. ...There, now that we are off-topic here ...lol

2 votes

#1.10 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:09 PM EST

Heckofawoman

I'm not talking about A Mac, he is my friend and I love him and he likes you too! I'm talking about another fairly new viner who slammed me vulgarly and you fueled it.....what the heck Cl.....My opinions of you had nothing to do with anyone, I agreed do to your actions towards me only. I still don't know where your coming up with A. MAC...it was elsewhere....community collapsed articles about me that you helped fuel. Anyway, it's over and done...if you remember I quit shortly after, not because of that person, or you, but because of NV's lack of support when I begged for them to intervene and they did nothing......so you can imagine how upset I was...not so much by the perpetrator, but their lack of support of something so obviously Wrong....I will not name names, or go back to it, but I figured at some point you must know my distance from you had been for my own reasons, not someone elses...I make my own mind up about me..I think and do for myself...cause in the end, I am all I have. There is nothing anyone can do here to protect or take care of me....it's my own responsibility, no matter the support, which is kind.....had someone done that to you...I would have been the first to step up and help you. That's it, I'm done....let's keep moving forward..so far so good. But I will not lie and tell you it will take awhile before I trust you...I'm just being honest, not trying to disrespect you but be civil...where many wouldn't be...but I have lived worse. This is a graham cracker. Mends are in order by now I feel..it's ridiculous to think not. I have about a good 10 years left on this earth and I have nothing to gain or lose at this point but to be myself...but you can always count on my honesty.....right or wrong...Truce!

4 votes

#1.11 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:30 PM EST

CL1

hmm, I don't know how trust could enter between us, Heck, because we've never had any basis.

But I had over three-four months of email communication with her, she let me tell her my most deepest and private personal thoughts and information and said it would be kept confidential -- and then she spread it over the internet --you want to bring up trust to me??? ..You and I don't know each other well enough to discuss trust, Heck.

I made a mistake in befriending someone here that I actually thought we got along quite well --- I was wrong...I won't ever trust anyone over internet - again, as a result.

I have always been an easy-going and friendly person, and I expect to continue that. Again, for the sake of peace, I have put -whatever it was- behind me. ....Truce. (let's not bring this up anymore - it's really hard on me)

4 votes

#1.12 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:39 PM EST

Heckofawoman

It's not about her, this was us......you defriended me over something ridiculous...then you gang me with an @!$%#...you bet I was pissed. I don't fight anyone elses battle, nor will I allow them to fight mine.....I'm grown, and so are they. This was about you and me.....it's really that simple....you don't remember do you...oh well...it matters not. Like I said we are speaking now, but I never forget, I do forgive...so lets just move forward. Now, I do hope you will join my new group...you have much to offer if it is needed. We all have our very own special things that help others...you seem to like to help..so I hope you put forth your efforts there as needed and as you can do...when it's something you have experience in, it's all we have. There are many people that need our ears and our words of wisdom to comfort them, pills and dr.s don't cure all....humans do. Respectfully and trying to become your friend, neutral as it may be, I'm not asking for me...I'm asking for that "one". Hek.

4 votes

#1.13 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:58 PM EST

menmy2

I'm getting a bad feeling about this. . .

5 votes

#1.14 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:03 PM EST

Heckofawoman

No don't, it's a cival disussion that will never happen off the vine....let it be and let it work. Look, if anything I stepping up when I could be a total bitch, but it's not who I am...oh and I can be and I have been, but I don't live it...there moments we all have...but I certainly don't have the friends I do because I'm a total bitch and a cold hearted person...far from it..I have feelings and I hurt too..but I speak of them, not carry grudges and I do move past them, always have. Now what is so bad about that? What's the worse that can happen......nothing, it already did. Point in case and it's time to move forward and we slowly are. That is a good thing. Being confrontational is not one of my stronger points, but sometimes it's necessary as adult to discuss stuff...like now, uncomfortable or not...and don't think I'm not comfortable..it stirs up feeling in me too..but whatever...I don't live there. I rant, cry and discuss....it's all a process.

4 votes

#1.15 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:12 PM EST

CL1

I think, imo, what was between us originally was because of the defriending -- and all of that ridiculousness should never have happened. -- It's a stupid reading list - nothing more when I'm on the internet. I expect to be warm and friendly to "everyone" so that we all get along and can post together, and that's all.

I don't believe people have to have experienced something to have empathy for others; experience can also come from indirect experiences via friends and family, imo, but one does have to have an 'honest willingness' to help others.

I tend to be more of a subjective person, not because of lack of understanding or capability to understand, but because of lack of desire. In other words, I'm not an 'everybody's ear' kind of person. .. Sometimes getting personal works; sometimes it doesn't... so, as a result, to avoid hurt feelings, I avoid the groups that try to get 'too personal.' Generally, personal, to me, is one on one, not group.

I did read the paragraph that you wrote about what you want the group purpose to be. That isn't what I was wanting from NV.

I prefer the very-lighted venues, if I'm not involved in a serious article or seed on the forum.

I appreciate and thank you for asking me to join...seriously! The groups I joined so far were to have the opportunity to catch any articles that I otherwise might have missed in that genre. I had hoped I would eventually be contributory with them, as well, but haven't so far.

2 votes

#1.16 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:29 PM EST

Heckofawoman

I respect your answer, it's the most I've ever gotten out of you and that's fair. I can live with that and know that I have extended my hand....but I am always here if you ever need me. God speed, Hek.

4 votes

#1.17 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:37 PM EST

CL1

Well, I've been known to be wrong a time or two, you know. ;-)

Seriously, I might change my mind later, Heck. It's a lot easier to talk on the internet (oh, don't I know it -lol) than with a friend sometimes -- and you are easy to talk to. ...and I'm here, too, Ok?

Thank you.

1 vote

#1.18 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:45 PM EST

henry1966

Hek and Cl 1. This article ( place if you prefer) is meant for rude, uncivilized comments and personal attacks you see on other threads and want to post here. I specified this is not the place to fight personal fights.

I'm sure you both are well aware of the fact that your personal twosome didn't belong here. But okay, it's almost Thanksgiving and I can live with it.

7 votes

#1.19 - Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:54 AM EST

Heckofawoman

Henry, no disrespect intended...truly!. As you can see, I'm truly trying to let it all go and extend my hand...my heart is always there. I read your headline, saw her and took the "opportunity" to end tid crap...do you not see this? I'm sorry if it is off topic to you, not meant to be or to be disrespectful....I am, taking this opportunity to end all defuncts with anyone as I don't have the time any longer in my life to fight the small battle,.....I will go in peace, knowing I have done everything in my power to right a wrong, open my mind, move forward and not lay in my grave tossing. I got a bad diagnosis Friday and it's made me re think a lot of things...I don't want to go with annomosity towards anyone, but to be a civil, a loving human being that I have always strived for, despite my emotions. I'm sorry if you feel I'm detracting, I felt it was healthy. And I don't have the time to make it right. I hope you will forgive me.......I just felt your article, not planned by me, proposed a great opportunity to rectify a wrong. For that I am grateful. Sincerely,

Hek

3 votes

#1.20 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:50 AM EST

Heckofawoman

Henry, I hope you accept. Thanks in advance if you do. I don't have a lot of time to be enemies or have drama in my life....whatever happened, it's over, for god's sake I don't even remember, ...and I have a mind like an Elephant...lol. Anyway...I want my group to succeed, I have someone in mind to take over it when I'm gone and it's what I suppose was meant to be....I found a place here that will exsist long after I do. Hekkie

2 votes

#1.21 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:06 AM EST

henry1966

Hek, I'm glad you responded and I commend you for trying to see things different. Just like you, I don't want or feel the urge to be involved in encounters that are below my standards but is happens at times.

I just returned to this place and within less than a week the joy already has been taken out of it. I wrote decent, well respected and received articles and still someone has to play those ......whatever you want to call it " tricks".

It's off topic now and I wish you success with your group.

4 votes

#1.22 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:00 AM EST

Heckofawoman

I surely hope you do not mean me....I would hate that.. I did basically want to just apoligize if you felt I was off topic....I thought it fitting based on your title...and it was a success....I could care less really if any one else does. I designed this group for selfish and unselfish reasons, kill two birds ya know...

Henry, keep writing, and yes, emotions somtimes get involved...I try really hard not to go there, but I'm human, and I'm also a mature adult....it's perplexing, at times.....thanks for being resonable....for gods sake I almost burnt my house down.......lmbo..well not really,but it fell off the table and could smell it...those smokeless kinds..hahahaahahah, I did have to laugh, but they stink for sure. Enjoy your weekend...don't know what I'm going to do next, been tryin to plan on relocating next year, but now that is not gonna happen against my will of couse. I'm okay with that...it's life and I do get that. I hope your good at reading between the lines Henry, cause this will be the 1st time I don't explain myself..

Hek

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Henry)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

1 vote

#1.23 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:16 AM EST

henry1966

I surely hope you do not mean me....I would hate that.

No, I don't.

I hope your good at reading between the lines Henry, cause this will be the 1st time I don't explain myself..

I normally am but I'm not sure what you're pointing at. I'll try though.

2 votes

#1.24 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:43 AM EST

Heckofawoman

I don't have a lot of time...lets put it that way. When I got the news Friday I refused treatment, been there, done that, I was very lucky and privileged then , now not so much, but in a sense yes.....I get to know now...and actually am okay with everything...So you see, I'm just reaching out one last time to make amends and if anyone needs help..............there's a place to go. I hate the judgement that has been placed on me for "changing" my mind, I haven't, all I have done is be objectively open to letting all to contribute. You see Henry, we are no so powerful to change anyone, that is on them, but I can always change me...anytime, anywhere, any place and if it makes a difference in humanity, I'm there...simple. LoL, me in my stupid self worrying over a dumb abscess, yea serious...but I was but a baby about it, it lead me to a place where I suppose God want's me to be and it's working through faith. Thanks Henry...for listening. Hekkie

2 votes

#1.25 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 7:03 AM EST

henry1966

If I get this right Heck. You had some bad news health wise. If so, wish you all the strength with that.

You turned to God and you have seen that fighting over stuff that's really not important is not worth it and only God will judge us...Is that about right?

2 votes

#1.26 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 11:28 AM EST

Heckofawoman

Well yea, I've always known that, but life is distracting, I'm not distracted anymore. I'm calm, and I feel peace for once in my life, ironically. Anyway....thanks again for your article, it brought a lot of closure to me that I would not have sought otherwise, firm and fair. I really don't want to talk about it or expand, acceptance for me right now is really important and weirdly freeing, and that's about it. Hek

3 votes

#1.27 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 12:54 PM EST

henry1966

You don't have to talk about it Heck. The most important thing is that you can profit from it.

2 votes

#1.28 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 3:26 PM EST

Ron W.-1891955

henry1966- - - I just noticed your article asking for the comments that I thought disparaging and a bonafide attack which had never been acted on (even though reported to Staff) so I thought late was better than never to add something to your article.

The following was said to me on another seed and I will not mention the name of the Seeder or source of the comment, but let you decide if it was worthy of any discipline by Staff (which it never was). The comment was as follows ...

Ron ... you are pathetic ... i have yet to meet someone who is so passively aggressively nasty as you ... You are patronising, sexist and a complete prat. So well done.... to the rest of the community this example of a 'viner' is one of the key reasons why i am buggering off ... Take a bow - you have done your stupid and quite frankly nasty job......I trust you feel proud of your crappy little self you small man.

BTW, I in my conversations on the seed, never crossed the line of CoH. Just called out the hypocrisy of this persons statements and made observations about the intent of the articles and comments and how she chose to voice them.

Is this the type of comment you were trying highlight since nothing was ever done by Staff on the obvious CoH violations?

5 votes

#1.29 - Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:56 PM EST

Jim Helbig

Hey henry, it's been about six months, right? Hope you are doing fine.

Your idea sounds good in theory, but there is a wide gap between what passes for civility and what causes uncivility. I was recently accused of by a former friend here of stalking. This former friend and her wolfpack bought into her fabricated story hook line and sinker. So if you listened to them, you would be convinced that I deserved at least 20 years in the electric chair.

You see, people fabricate some pretty tall tales to serve their purposes. I successfully defended myself in this incident, but you can see where this kind of thing can lead.

I have found that being on the correct side of any fight is the best way to guarantee victory.

Does this make any sense? Good to see you're back!

2 votes

#2 - Sat Nov 20, 2010 9:57 PM EST

henry1966

Hey Jim, good to see you as well and so sad to hear they accused you of stalking. It's not the first time I've heard that story ( not about you).

I see your point Jim and as I mentioned in my article this would not be the place to fight such fights. Just plain comments without names of authors, other members or even the article it came from.

I hope your issue has been straightened out and thank you for your comment.

6 votes

#2.1 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:36 AM EST

tyler

Hi, henry1966. Interesting idea. Apologies in advance for porting some meta drama here, but it seems the best place to address it.

Jim Helbig, you and your 'former friend', mtherof3, are very much at odds. The differences seem to be irreconcilable, and you've both held discussions that revealed a lot of offline drama.

Your friendship-turned-beef is not going to come close to yielding positive contributions to Newsvine, so:

Both of you must refrain from addressing or mentioning each other, by name or otherwise. For the most part, you've avoided using each other's display names, but that sure hasn't amped down the unnecessary drama.

Use your better judgment; Newsvine is big enough for the both of you to use it and leave the drama somewhere else.

Feel free to respond - to me - here.

15 votes

#2.2 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:37 PM EST

henry1966

No apology needed tyler. I'll just stay out of this part in particular if you don't mind :-)

7 votes

#2.3 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:45 PM EST

mtherof3

Tyler - Thank you. That is a great solution.

Have you had time to read the other articles he has written bashing the Fox News Group and Love your fellow Whiners? (Viners)

I understand that the first article he wrote was deleted by the author - you had stated in an email that he was suspended for that - however after 4 more articles about me and my Newsvine groups is that your decision to just have us both avoid eachother?

Thanks!

10 votes

#2.4 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:45 PM EST

Randilly

I look forward to the moment when both parties cease trying to have the last word.....

13 votes

#2.5 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 2:50 PM EST

menmy2

I find it sad that two adults have to be told to leave each other alone.

7 votes

#2.6 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 5:50 PM EST

storyartist

I'm with you, Randilly. And with you, menmy2. They've both earned a spot in my Ignore bin for quite awhile. Even at that, I still get the general comments posted around their pissin' contest.

Thank you, Tyler, for your request, but as you see, your request was treated in the same manner as the pissin' contest.

So since the topic of your article, Henry, is rudeness on the vine, I'm going to post my first find. It didn't take long to find one.

Have you had time to read the other articles he has written bashing the Fox News Group and Love your fellow Whiners? (Viners)

I understand that the first article he wrote was deleted by the author - you had stated in an email that he was suspended for that - however after 4 more articles about me and my Newsvine groups is that your decision to just have us both avoid eachother?

Rudeness. Insulting to the community of NV to invite us into marital-type disputes, and rude to Tyler by flaunting his very request right back in his face as soon as it's posted. Rudeness.

6 votes

#2.7 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 6:50 AM EST

henry1966

So since the topic of your article, Henry, is rudeness on the vine, I'm going to post my first find. It didn't take long to find one.

I do understand your point of view storyartist and in the context of this article you are right. I just returned from a long break and am still astonished how this could have happened and don't know much about the background of the incident and I don't want to either.

Tyler, if you read this. I told you not to apologize in my earlier comment and I also told you I would stay out of this. I will. I'll stick with that but one question popped up in mind. Why did you mention both names in your comment. I, frankly had no clue who the other person was and now I do.......Thank you in advance for your response.

3 votes

#2.8 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:02 AM EST

mtherof3

I'm sorry to all if that came across as rude. I was asking tyler for clarification as he said:

Feel free to respond - to me - here.

I will just email him so you guys aren't involved.

Please accept my apologies for further making this place yucky with drama. : (

Detracking now.

6 votes

#2.9 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:12 AM EST

henry1966

Don't worry mtherof :-) Somehow this article seemed suited for it. I just hope things will get sorted out very soon.

5 votes

#2.10 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:15 AM EST

Heckofawoman

mther, don't you dare apologize, you haven't brought it out here....he has...Hit articles, are you kidding me....Disgusting. I agree with Tyler that he can no longer contact or mention you here, not that you have....ever.....but......................you should never feel ashamed or apologize for what someone does too you....you have handled it well and I'm very proud of you. The losers always put themselves out in the open....and reap what they deserve! I don't need "facts" to know that any person that harms another in any way, will make me take air to caution and I stick with the women, always. Love ya girl...Hek.

Story I have to disagree with some of what you said.....it's not right. No one should be shamed by what another does that is out of line...you know the best defense is a better offence...I have seen enough without ever hearing a word from her. Ever. As my father says, he who speaks the loudest is always wrong....that is why I quit when I did......hit article after article and not even a slap on the wrist...they carry on...I lost respect. As I should.

4 votes

#2.11 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:28 PM EST

storyartist

Hek----Of course, you're free to disagree, but I stand behind my statements. What mther wrote in #2.9 was civil, and un-rude. It was a response. What she wrote in #2.4 was not a response, it was a rebuttal. Or getting the last word, as Randilly wrote in #2.5. Tyler's intervention should have been the last word in this public context.

It's what I understand as being political. This is not the appropriate place to dump personal vendettas. There are appropriate places to do that. You're confusing the comments I made about dumping here with whatever happened before -- who was right or wrong. I'm making no judgment about the spat. I have no earthly idea nor do I want to know what that was about. My comments are limited to the tit-for-tat afterwards.

To encourage the dumping because of how you feel about the incident itself is not supporting -- it's enabling. IMHO. With all the best intentions in the world and with all your heart, but enabling.

I just want to get back to what this article was originally about. Not get any more emails "if you knew what really happened..." blah, blah, blah.

3 votes

#2.12 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:47 PM EST

Heckofawoman

Story, you know I adore you...maybe I read it wrong...but I will,l and always will stick with the women. She has never whined to me about anything...she's a lady.....but any hint of a man disrespecting a friend/woman takes back seat. Unless of course it's obvious they are psychotic......lol You know what I mean!

Tyler, thank you for your interjection....I wish you had been there for me:( I so trusted and looked upon our support as you had always given...glad to see you back to doing the good fight. Respectfully Hek.

2 votes

#2.13 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:02 AM EST

Heckofawoman

Jim, dont' e-mail me again...some of the things you said to me were pure speculation on your part...but what I will tell you as I did another viner....I lean towards caution...I don't need facts and I don't need your defense as you put it so bluntly with me...don't do it again. You should have left it alone....he who speaks the loudest is always wrong. Can't help you with "your" situation, don't know much, but I read a couple of links, not like you put it in the e-mail, and no, I will not respond....as I said I air to caution. Keep writing, I'll read, your a wonderful writer and that is just not the issue...but you must know...being single, I'll stick with the women ALWAYS. Not to be disrespectful, but that is the way it is for me....hard lessons learned, you should know better knowing my background that I won't take those "chances" ever. Do Not Post Another E-Mail To Me, it Won't matter what you say...I stick with the gals....and NO....I haven't spoke with mther and she doesn't whine. I love her. Where you go that is beyond me, I got it from you.....it's all an observation here, that's all we get. Make better choices I suppose.

Hek

2 votes

#2.14 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:26 AM EST

henry1966

Hek,

This is really getting personal here with the other Viner.........I'm not sure if this is what we want to see. It's like you're a whirlwind this morning full of energy and emotions.

I do respect that but please try not to make it that personal here.
Thank you.

5 votes

#2.15 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:46 AM EST

Heckofawoman

No probem Henry....detracking now. Peace, Hek.

2 votes

#2.16 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:01 PM EST

Socrates1

OK, I'd promised myself to avoid continuing a discussion which has resulted in the loss of several "friends" for simply stating the facts...how is this relevent to this particular article/discussion?

1. It seems that civility, and lack thereof, is more in the eye of the beholder than I had imagined.

2. Case in point, Jim brings an off topic comment, with commentary, attacking another viner, and when this comment elicits a response, it is Jim who receives initial support. I just don't get it. I see no quote provided without name, etc.

3. So Henry....Nice idea....I agree, and ironically have been censured for expressing my displeasure, regarding uncalled for behavior. I hope you feel this comment is on topic, as I am responding...and I would suggest that the best thing is to restate the focus of the article. It seems that, back to my above comment, that some would suggest that the ends justify the means.

4. Now, let me go look for the most foul and disgusting comment I can find.......:)

4 votes

#2.17 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:05 AM EST

henry1966

3. So Henry....Nice idea....I agree, and ironically have been censured for expressing my displeasure, regarding uncalled for behavior. I hope you feel this comment is on topic, as I am responding...and I would suggest that the best thing is to restate the focus of the article. It seems that, back to my above comment, that some would suggest that the ends justify the means

It is on topic. The thread has derailed already but somehow the dumpster thing still makes sense.

2. Case in point, Jim brings an off topic comment, with commentary, attacking another viner, and when this comment elicits a response, it is Jim who receives initial support.

Where is he getting support?

Socrates, of course I see your point you're trying to make. As said in the article it was an idea that popped up and to refocus the article to it's original meaning would be equivalent to delete almost all comments and that's just not what I want to do right now.

Maybe one day or even sooner, the first comment as proposed will be posted here and the snowball effect will be seen. Until then, we'll just have to wait.

I appreciate your input.

3 votes

#2.18 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 11:04 AM EST

Jim Helbig

2. Case in point, Jim brings an off topic comment, with commentary, attacking another viner, and when this comment elicits a response, it is Jim who receives initial support. I just don't get it. I see no quote provided without name, etc

Receiving support? Attacking another viner? I think Socrates has been sniffing glue again. Show me where I attacked another viner on this article.

2 votes

#2.19 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 1:03 PM EST

Socrates1

I was recently accused of by a former friend here of stalking. This former friend and her wolfpack bought into her fabricated story hook line and sinker. So if you listened to them, you would be convinced that I deserved at least 20 years in the electric chair.

Interestingly Tyler chose to respond....

Jim Helbig, you and your 'former friend', mtherof3, are very much at odds. The differences seem to be irreconcilable, and you've both held discussions that revealed a lot of offline drama.

Your friendship-turned-beef is not going to come close to yielding positive contributions to Newsvine, so:

Both of you must refrain from addressing or mentioning each other, by name or otherwise.

To which Storyartist responds....not to Jim, who chose to bring the discussion here, but instead complains about the response....

So since the topic of your article, Henry, is rudeness on the vine, I'm going to post my first find. It didn't take long to find one.

Have you had time to read the other articles he has written bashing the Fox News Group and Love your fellow Whiners? (Viners)

I understand that the first article he wrote was deleted by the author - you had stated in an email that he was suspended for that - however after 4 more articles about me and my Newsvine groups is that your decision to just have us both avoid eachother?

Rudeness. Insulting to the community of NV to invite us into marital-type disputes, and rude to Tyler by flaunting his very request right back in his face as soon as it's posted. Rudeness.

Are people unable to hold more than one thought at a time? Or follow a particular discussion from start to finish? Really, I don't get it....

Receiving support?

Noted Storyartist comment....

Attacking another viner?

Noted Tyler's comment

I think Socrates has been sniffing glue again.

Now here (above) we finally have a comment on topic......:) Perhaps Exhibit A?

Show me where I attacked another viner on this article.

Whether or not we wish to discuss the first, the second certainly uses my name?

Jim Jim Jim...when will you learn? I can read.

3 votes

#2.20 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:08 AM EST

Vulgivagus Poeta

Agreed, if tyler actually made a reference to "Socrates1 sniffing glue" that would be totally inappropriate and uncalled for ;a clear show of disrespect for a newsvine member (ergo, a clear COH violation by a member of the administration). In all fainess, he should suspend himself for a day!

3 votes

#2.21 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 2:44 AM EST

Vulgivagus Poeta

Tyler, did you really break the COH as stated? If you did you should ban yourself for a whole week for the "glue sniffing" comment.

After all (as a staff member) you should be held to a higher degree of accountability, as your comments should serve as examples to the the rest of us!

Shame on you!

2 votes

#2.22 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:00 AM EST

Socrates1

Completely my fault....I was apparently unclear as to what I was referencing....

2.19

Tyler was not the one who "said" it....I want that clear.

4 votes

#2.23 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:18 AM EST

Vulgivagus Poeta

It's certainly nice that we have that clarified, I'd hate to believe Tyler is no better than the rest of us ignoble thespians around here.

I hereby retract my Tyler comments and re-point the "fickled finger of flame" at whomever had the audacity to accuse Socrates1 of a felony (sniffing glue; ergo "using this product in a manner inconsistent with its designated use is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison") - it says so right there on the back of the tube!

; )

How is this person allowed to continue as a member after such a defamation of character? Suggesting that Socrates1 is a closeted huffer ! The audacity of this individual. This is simply intolerable and that individual must be dealt with harshly to serve as an example to all the rest of us who might have suspected the same thing but were wise enough not to say it out loud!

My apologies Socrates1 for my misunderstading of your pronouncement!

2 votes

#2.24 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:45 AM EST

Vulgivagus Poeta

@ Socrates1...

I sincerely hope you take this comment lightly as the "tongue in cheek) it is intended to represent!

respectfully, Mic Hudson (current NV incarnation being Vulgivagus Poeta; Latin for wandering poet)

2 votes

#2.25 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 10:56 AM EST

Jim Helbig

I think Socrates' definition of an "attack' is "any statement which doesn't kiss the ass of the mentioned individual".

2 votes

#2.26 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:21 PM EST

Socrates1

VP.....:)

Jim....no....my definition of an attack is when someone uses the name of an individual member,or group, and attacks them......You are who you are...own it....but stop whining.

4 votes

#2.27 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 1:06 PM EST

henry1966

Jim and Socrates. As mentioned before, it wasn't my intention to write this article so people could fight their personal fights. Somehow along the way it seems inevitable to do so.

I'm aware that the soul intention for this article has been derailed and I don't moderate it that strict as I probably normally would. Still, I think you both know how you feel about each other. Unfortunately, we can't all be friends. Just let it go.

2 votes

#2.28 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:46 PM EST

Arkansas Gloria

Oh, darn. I thought this article might be a place TO BE rude, and full of incivility! A place to 'let it fly', so maybe it would stop within the articles. Loretta has a good article up, but I can't believe the ugliness of the posts. Have stayed away for awhile, maybe need to stay away longer.

But, really, was hoping for a full fledged place to fight, a good boxing match, referees, ropes, crowds, popcorn.... oh, darn, I am SO disapointed!!! Actually, good article, Henry1966. Don't think we've met... Hi!

1 vote

#2.29 - Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:28 AM EST

mstanley2265

Hey, good to see you again. The way I look at it is this, a bit of written sparring and then boring so I leave and go somewhere else. Or make my point and then leave..LOL either way I'm outta there. It's that easy, Don't get sucked into major over long dialogues, if they were educated, they wouldn't be doing what they're doing anyway.

There's also a lot of good groups to join for different things, Peter Faden has a How to Group, there's the 112th Congress group, (gotta keep up with them). Lots of interesting science etc. Just ignore the dummieddown groupies LOL

2 votes

#3 - Sat Nov 20, 2010 10:11 PM EST

henry1966

There's also a lot of good groups to join for different things, Peter Faden has a How to Group, there's the 112th Congress group, (gotta keep up with them). Lots of interesting science etc. Just ignore the dummieddown groupies LOL

Okay, if there are groups for these kind if issues it's even better. Thank you.

1 vote

#3.1 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:38 AM EST

katrix

Sometimes I can't help wondering how those conversations would evolve while sitting at one table facing each other. Would we really lower ourselves to that kind of uncivilized behavior?

At the risk of being thought of as part of a clique, which I never have been, I will wax nostalgic. When there were fewer members, we sometimes DID sit at one table facing one another. At the DC vinemeet, a weekend in Georgetown several years ago, we had a diehard libertarian, two diehard liberals, someone fairly conservative, and all kinds of other people. We managed to be polite (and not fake it - we liked and respected each other) when we were staying together, going to dinner together, going to monuments together. The hardest thing we faced was agreeing on where to go for dinner. But when we sat around the townhouse at night, we never once got into any real fights. Being together in person forced us to be polite and really think about and respond to whatever we were discussing.

Yes, it did make a difference. Many people tend to be a lot more polite when they're sitting with someone, talking to them in person, than they do online.

5 votes

#4 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 12:24 AM EST

Heckofawoman

katrix, I can't wait for that day in Colorado, I do so hope your going to attend...July of 2011. Love ya sweetie, Hek

2 votes

#4.1 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:04 AM EST

Heckofawoman

OMG, I'm already designing T-shirts for us., ;YaY................I cannot wait.

2 votes

#4.2 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:30 AM EST

Heckofawoman

Oh, and for the record if anyone needs help getting to CO....I'm all there to help...we need to organize a fund for those going through hard times....

Tired and neenie................I got you both!!!!! But, .................here goes, we'll be sleeping on top of each other, not a "bad" deal, lol, but I don't want to sleep at all, so you two can fight over the bed, I'll be gone havin fun ;...........lol

2 votes

#4.3 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 6:32 AM EST

henry1966

Yes, it did make a difference. Many people tend to be a lot more polite when they're sitting with someone, talking to them in person, than they do online.

Thank you Katrix. That was exactly the point I was trying to make. Would " we" behave like that when facing each other? I guess the vast majority wouldn't :-)

5 votes

#5 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 6:40 AM EST

sheaster

Rudeness, incivility, name calling, personal attacks by people who call themselves grown ups. Sometimes I can't help wondering how those conversations would evolve while sitting at one table facing each other. Would we really lower ourselves to that kind of uncivilized behavior?

In my experience, people sitting face to face with each other frequently act uncivilized. I've seen it at work, city council meetings, parties, bars and restaurants, my own dining room table, etc. I've read countless articles in the newspaper outlining how someone said something rude and the consequences that followed.

Having said that, I do understand what you're getting at. I've made plenty of comments on Newsvine that I might have........rephrased if the person I was speaking to was looking me in the eyes. Why does that surprise anyone? Furthermore, is it really wrong? In real life, I might speak differently over the phone ("Put me on your DO NOT CALL list, moron!") or in a letter (the infamous "Dear John") than I would in person. Don't most people at one time or another?

We all seem to have preconceived notions about how "online life" should be. We make assumptions about what behavior is appropriate and expect others to feel the same. Yet, the rules we think should be in place online are the same rules that get broken over and over in the real world.

Discussing "bad" online behavior seems as pointless as discussing why Betsy got mouthy at the bar on Saturday and ruined the night for everyone. Sometimes, people DO THAT.

I do see value in debating what the consequences should be, if any, for shooting your mouth off on the internet. I DON'T think they should be the same as they would for a face to face interaction, any more than I think a bill collector should be able to reach through the phone and grab my wallet. Harp all you want, jerk! I'm still safe in my house and you're trapped in a cubicle somewhere in Toledo.

I like the idea that we can all speak more openly (and therefore sometimes more inappropriately) on the 'Vine. Yes, that sometimes means that people say things to me that piss me off. I'm just not willing to give up my freedom to do the same in the name of civility.

Just thinking out loud............

3 votes

#6 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 7:52 AM EST

henry1966

In my experience, people sitting face to face with each other frequently act uncivilized. I've seen it at work, city council meetings, parties, bars and restaurants, my own dining room table, etc. I've read countless articles in the newspaper outlining how someone said something rude and the consequences that followed.

Agreed but I don't think it's get that nasty in real life as on the Internet. Easy, people can do it anonymous and don't have to deal with a facial expression.

Just thinking out loud............

I'm glad you did. Freedom of speech is one of our most valuable rights and you executed that right. Thank you for your input.

#6.1 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:03 AM EST

sheaster

Agreed but I don't think it's get that nasty in real life as on the Internet. Easy, people can do it anonymous and don't have to deal with a facial expression.

Where I come from it gets way, way nastier, but not with words. Rude comments are quickly replaced with teeth getting knocked out. Online, no one gets their ass kicked. We get to see just how far words can go- and they can go pretty far! I find it interesting, really, and much better than carrying my snags home in a zip-loc baggie.

Yep, people can be uncivilized online. This is the umpeenth article about it right here on the 'Vine. I've seen people get banned and thought, "Great! They were irritating the @!$%# out of me!"

But even though I'm pleased to get someone out of my hair, I'm not quite convinced that it's wrong to be rude on the internet.

2 votes

#6.2 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:10 AM EST

henry1966

Where I come from it gets way, way nastier, but not with words. Rude comments are quickly replaced with teeth getting knocked out. Online, no one gets their ass kicked.

That sounds tough but I think you will agree with me that your situation doesn't represent the standard for the average American.

But even though I'm pleased to get someone out of my hair, I'm not quite convinced that it's wrong to be rude on the internet.

I can't stop it :-)

4 votes

#6.3 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 4:54 PM EST

ron c. baker sr.

henry, i don't think i've ever had the pleasure of meeting you, but am glad too now. thank you for this piece, and your sentiments. we, at least those of us who have been around for a while have had similar discussions about the animosity, the rudeness and incivility here many times.

i have written abou it, and many others as well, and yet things have not changed. even today, i find that my ignore list is catching up with my friends list, and that saddens me, because i didn't HAVE an ignore list until the last year (i have been a member since...'06-'07).

it would be an honor if you would accept a friends invitation, henry. again, i am honored to have met you, finally, and i DO hope things will change. all it takes is for people to share their thoughts, in a civil manner, and treat each other in the manner in which they wish to be treated.again, thank you very much.

luv,

ron

2 votes

#7 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 8:04 AM EST

henry1966

henry, i don't think i've ever had the pleasure of meeting you, but am glad too now

Me neither although your name sounds very familiar and we may had some friendly encounters in the past. It's good to hear about your efforts to fight the impossible because that's what it almost seems to me.

Your friendship request has been accepted. Next time I'll see you in blue :-)

2 votes

#7.1 - Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:06 AM EST

Heckofawoman

Ron, you are ALWAYS such a dear....and so happy to see you here! Henry he's a great guy! I give you my word.

Hek

1 vote

#7.2 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:11 AM EST

Randilly

Henry1966

You were gone for a while... Did you check out tylers avatar?

3 votes

#8 - Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:44 PM EST

henry1966

Uh no, but I will know. Give me a second.

Just came back running...lol. I see the avatar has changed from a normal picture into something from " how to train your dragon" ? Why mention btw? :-)

3 votes

#8.1 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:04 AM EST

Randilly

Just being rude, and going off topic... :-)

2 votes

#8.2 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:39 AM EST

henry1966

You were rude? Hmmm, I guess we'll have to redefine rude then ;-)

3 votes

#8.3 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:31 AM EST

Heckofawoman

Don't we all......I ask myself that question daily,as we all should...like.."Like would God want me like this?" It matters to me....I love him and ultimately only seek "his" approval, no one elses.

2 votes

#8.4 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:14 AM EST

not over it

I understand people getting frustrated, at times, but come on people, this is a blog site on the internet. People don't agree, it's no big deal.

If someone attacks you, personally. Leave the article or make them look stupid for doing it.

Most of the time, I find it amusing if someone gets all worked over something I said. I'm nothing to anyone on this site and why would anyone allow me, or my comments, to have that much power in their life. I don't.

3 votes

#9 - Tue Nov 23, 2010 7:26 PM EST

henry1966

If someone attacks you, personally. Leave the article or make them look stupid for doing it.

A agree on that not over it. My idea behind this is to gather ( without name referring) comments so now and then we can take a look how grown ups treat each other in a virtual world. It couldn't hurt you know.

3 votes

#10 - Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:57 AM EST

Vulgivagus Poeta

Pardon me if I appear to be rude (e.g., uncouth) by interpolating here with a few rude (hastily crafted) uses of the word "rude" and then extrapolating rudely (on the spur of the moment) upon the various interpretations and the means of executing each rudely (with careless abandon) into this less (so far) than subtle (ergo, rude) and ongoing interlocution between several of my oldest and dearest Newsvine friends, and the rest of you too (if it matters).

\ : 0

As rudeness and incivility are the primary subjects of this post, I'll trust my gut instinct that this response isn't too off topic for the majority of people posting their own pontifications on the matters at hand.....

It was hardly by being rude (i.e., by behaving discourteously and/or impolitely) that I was able to recently rudely (in a rather frank and abrupt manner) employ several rude (unskilled) workers having enough rude (undirected and misapplied) strength, to assist me in transforming my rude (roughly wrought or constructed) little structure into the elegant though no less glaringly rude (bright orange and chartreuse trimmed) little hovel (house trailer) that it now represents to all of my rude (primitive; lacking in culture and refinement) neighbors round about, despite their rude (snide) remarks about it!

At least my rude (initial) assessment of the cost involved was was rudely (near to) accurate!

Okee-dokey.... Youse can all get back to being yore usual rude (impetuous) selves now!

; )

4 votes

#11 - Thu Nov 25, 2010 5:48 PM EST

henry1966

Only you could have written that. I will sustain your rudeness and incivility this time ;-)

4 votes

#11.1 - Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:02 PM EST

Heckofawoman

Mic, you crack me up in such a good way....I love ya man! Your so freaking profound, and I get it.....

Hekkie

3 votes

#11.2 - Fri Nov 26, 2010 4:15 AM EST

Vulgivagus Poeta

Henry, I apologize for my example (above) which was intended to show some of the wide range of uses and meanings of the word rude. My mistake was in not doing likewise for the interpretation of incivility followed by an excerpt of your article itself (seeing it is painfully obvious that most people are posting here based solely on the attention grabbing headline.

Having listed in my prior post just a few of the many ways "rude" may be interpreted (applied in sentence structure)....my way of poking a bit of fun at all the above post which are basically totally irrelevant to the original intent of your article (ergo; having witnessed many rude (off topic) posts posted here, I feel it my duty (no an obligation actually, to post an example of the original intent of the article (if I may be so bold, Henry)....

Example:

"My brother's wife was denigrated"

No. She wasn't. The inefficient program that served only to fatten corporate profits was denigrated.

However, I'd be glad to denigrate your sister-in-law, but you'll have to give me some detail. Is she fat? Stupid? Alcoholic?

This is a rude remark, seen in another post (elsewhere here on Newsvine) that is clearly one member being RUDE to another member, (ergo the type of comments often being bandied about within articles we see posted all over Newsvine that clearly are intended to only provoke other members, have little if anything to do with the article itself, and as such have little or no intrinsic value other then to promulgate argument and discord (i.e. are inflammatory in nature).

These are the type of articles which deserve to be either collapsed by the community or deleted by the moderator and either way should be reported to administration as infractions of either the COH (Code Of Honor) or TOU (Terms Of Use) policy which we all agree to abide by at the time we initially sign up here at Newsvine.

If I am not correct in my interpretation of the explanation Henry provided and (quite eloquently) explained so as not to be over the heads of most NV members) up top (in the body of the original article he posted) I guess I need a new pair of eyes.

What Henry failed to take into account was how just how very many NV (newsvine) users read only the headline before jumping right into a discussions going on in the comment area, having never taken the bother to read the body of the article itself (or at best having only perused (scanned) it before jumping into the fray.

Sadly, Henry, though the original intent of the article was side-tracked right off the bat, it has never-the-less pointed out this failure; an avoidable tendency some of us have to enter jump (enter) into discussions totally unprepared to talk knowledgeably about the topic at hand...

....(if we would only take the time to read the article first before opening our traps (ergo; virtual mouths), maybe we would also tend to make less fools of ourselves than we do and than is already apparent to others by our initial contributions (if only we were not quite so presumptuous to begin with).

I can (and do) agree with the premise that the vast majority of NV users simply do NOT know it all and although our egos deserve to be deflated once in a while, NV is not necessarily the place to do so. If you feel such vehemence , do not post this type of garbage here, use the contact author link on the persons home page, then if you get out of line you are liable for your comments and the rest of Newsvine didn't have to witness it!

And, (Hey!) I don't claim to be innocent of these offenses myself either; I am every bit as culpable as the majority of NV members here of getting sucked into these type of disingenuous altercations which side-track so many articles and thus generally serve to detract from any positive results which might have been gleaned from an open discussion of a subjects particular points and merits (or even their opposites, to a lesser degree).

I apologize again, Henry, but these things need be pointed out to people if he ever hope to improve upon our discourses here.

respectfully, Mic

2 votes

#12 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 12:34 PM EST

henry1966

What Henry failed to take into account was how just how very many NV (newsvine) users read only the headline before jumping right into a discussions going on in the comment area, having never taken the bother to read the body of the article itself (or at best having only perused (scanned) it before jumping into the fray.

I might have failed to take that into account Mic but I'm well aware of impulsive commenting without reading the entire content. Heck, I even do it myself at times. It's just plain " selective" interest what leads to that.

if you feel such vehemence , do not post this type of garbage here, use the contact author link on the persons home page,

By garbage you must mean the personal fights or accusations posted here while I specifically mentioned not to do so. As a moderator, I failed then. It's an " experiment " and as mentioned before, if I would have moderated this following the guidelines this article would only have one or two comments left. I took that risk.

I apologize again, Henry, but these things need be pointed out to people if he ever hope to improve upon our discourses here.

No apology needed my well educated Texan cowboy, for I am Dutch, for I am tolerant :-) Thanks for your input Mic. You nailed it!

2 votes

#13 - Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:07 PM EST

Socrates1

"No, you go on here to be the douchebag that you obviously can't be face-to-face with people for fear of getting your teeth pushed in."

What do you think?

3 votes

#14 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:13 PM EST

henry1966

Where is your comment quoted from?

#14.1 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:47 PM EST

Socrates1

Sorry, I thought you didn't want that info....my mistake.

Don't mention the author of the comment nor the article it was generated from.

3 votes

#14.2 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 3:54 PM EST

henry1966

I thought you were quoting from a comment on this thread Socrates. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

That comment is indeed an example of what I meant. It's not called for and it's a reflection of what we see too much over here. Thank you for posting it here.

1 vote

#14.3 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:26 PM EST

Vulgivagus Poeta

Turn out the lights
the parties over
They say that all
good things must end.
Call it a night
the parties over
and tomorrow starts
the same old ~~thing~~ @!$%# again.

2 votes

#15 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 4:22 PM EST

henry1966

Check, check, check and yes, check :-)

2 votes

#15.1 - Mon Nov 29, 2010 6:27 PM EST

Socrates1

I guess I'm the only one playing...:)

RC12, let's not beat about the bush. You were handed your ass both here and on your own thread talking about a topic you claim to be an expert on. Your arguments are @!$%#, you can't string thoughts together into a logical sequence, and when called on it, you throw temper tantrums, call people names, bitch incessantly, and try to go off on tangents that have @!$%#-all to do with the topic. Then you blame everyone else for doing what you yourself are guilty of, as though by accusing everyone else of it, you've somehow covered up your own behavior.

You haven't, though. All you've done is highlighted what a douchebag you are.

2 votes

#16 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 2:11 PM EST

henry1966

I guess I'm the only one playing...:)

I wasn't intending to make it playful Socrates ;-)

But thank you again. It shows once more how respectful we treat each other at times. Oh yes, and " we " consider ourselves grown ups as well.

Maybe Tyler will come and visit once in a while so he can deal with it. If not dealt with already.

2 votes

#16.1 - Wed Dec 1, 2010 3:51 PM EST

forthefuture-8765309

Henry...If it fails...don't delete it. Leave it for future reference.

I think we should tag the comment at the top of the comment with..something like: CoH violation: "...body of violation.......!"

Just so we can tell a comment purposefully meant to comment you. Or Tell if it is actually a violation re-text-ed here.

Not that I plan to have many. I vow to try and stay away from them type political monsters. From now on. For the angry CoH violations is what gets me started. Gets me thinking differently. Some of the time.

#17 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 9:05 AM EST

forthefuture-8765309

I feel like a tattle tail. But....I have a limited amount of time on this plain. So I will try to make this one better before I leave it.

Don't you wear a truss for that?

#18 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 10:39 AM EST

henry1966

Henry...If it fails...don't delete it. Leave it for future reference

I won't delete it.

#19 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 8:17 PM EST

forthefuture-8765309

I may end up on here. But still...

#19.1 - Sat Dec 4, 2010 10:56 PM EST

henry1966

If so, it's anonymous :-)

#19.2 - Sun Dec 5, 2010 1:01 AM EST

JayTee-3231157

DemoDemocrat baiting

Sarah Palin ........is smarter than Obama.

2 votes

#20 - Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:31 PM EST

StoneyT

Here are some nice posts. All by the same person. On the same seed.

Sorry @!$%# head you helped zero, and my work is in Japan

and

Hail through your trailer sport, and then you join the world wide refrain

and

Moron -

This person showed their true character.

3 votes

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