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Why do we send our parents to an elderly home?

Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:21 AM EDT
children, privacy, parents, needs, raising, elderly-home
By henry1966

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I think about this sometimes. I know my parents are not getting any younger and right now I'm not much of a help due to the distance that separates us. And too be honest, it worries me at times and it makes me feel guilty. They're happy because I'm happy and that's the way it should be if you ask me. I know they're enjoying this part of their life and that makes ma happy. But to repeat myself, should I be there more to help them? Or are they going to end up in an elderly home?

That leads me to my main question. We're talking about our parents here. We're talking about the people that changed our diapers and raised us. The ones that taught us the values of live, the ones that fed us and most important of all the ones that are irreplaceable. We only have one mother and father and I have a hard time understanding why a vast majority in this world " puts" them in an elderly home so they can live their lives without that " burden". That may sound abstract but unfortunately I'm sure it isn't.

There are countries where this is unthinkable. Mom and dad or only one of them depending how nature is taking its course will move in with one of their daughters or sons. Shouldn't it be like that? Shouldn't we take care of the people that took care of us when we needed them. Or is it justified to send them to an elderly home where we will visit them every two weeks to clear our conscious? For those with children, isn't that our worst nightmare also? Then we at least should set an example for our children I would think.

I told both my mother and father already that if something might happen they're more than welcome to stay with us. I don't think that will ever happen though because I know them too well. They would perceive that as a violation on our privacy . But I'm glad I asked them and told them how I think about it before they will get to an age where they don't even realize anymore what we just had been discussing. And I didn't offer it to clear my conscious. I think they deserve it.

Food for thoughts I think.

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henry1966

Thanks in advance for your thoughts on this.

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#1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:21 AM EDT
landspirit

It is odd, but my mind was upon the same subject all day yesterday. Other cultures honor greatly their elderly, we tuck them away some where to wait to die when they are no longer productive. They are our forgotten ones, yet what a waste and shame! Age brings wisdom. We don't listen.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:30 PM EDT
henry1966

They are our forgotten ones, yet what a waste and shame! Age brings wisdom. We don't listen.

Well said landspirit and I agree. Thank you.

  • 5 votes
#1.2 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:00 PM EDT
Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

Why do we send our parents to an elderly home?

One simple reason...because we as a nation have gotten so wrapped up in the "me" generation that we've completely forgotten what those same parents did for us when we were younger.

I mean...you see it advertised all the time and it's so over-glorified...the "empty nest" status. Where you can "finally" get back to life, see the world, "it's all about you".

Our parents take care of us from the day we're born, providing us with food, a place to live, love, support, clothing...every creature comfort we can imagine. And then when we get older we pay them back by shipping them off to be alone in a cold "hospital-esque" atmosphere so they can die in solitude...how lovely.

I remember the way it used to be...when the parents provided for the children through college and then the kids took care of the parents in their failing years. That seems to all have changed in this last generation (the baby boomers). So many of my friends (gen-x) endured college alone and spent years afterwards paying back the loans. They started their lives in debt while their parents traveled the globe and sported their new sports cars...how sad.

Now parents expect their kids to front college on their own, and figure their parents will take care of themselves to the grave, looking with bated breath to see what they're going to get in the will...how pathetic.

As I noted on another vine:

When my great grandmother got ill (many many years ago), my grandparents took her in without hesitation or question. My grandmother is now not doing too well and I'm not seeing EITHER of her kids stepping up to take her in. I've offered, but with two little children in the house as well as a large dog, it's not the best environment for her.

It's sad where we've "evolved".


  • 3 votes
#1.3 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:35 AM EDT
henry1966

I remember the way it used to be...when the parents provided for the children through college and then the kids took care of the parents in their failing years. That seems to all have changed in this last generation (the baby boomers). So many of my friends (gen-x) endured college alone and spent years afterwards paying back the loans. They started their lives in debt while their parents traveled the globe and sported their new sports cars...how sad.

The me, myself and I generation.

  • 2 votes
#1.4 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:43 AM EDT
weRdoomed

My grandfather lived with my family and I when I was little. When I was around 12, he got Alzheimer's.

After two years, we put him in a nursing home. I remember my mother and father sat down with me and my siblings and told us "If this ever happens to us, please know that you can put us in a home without guilt or regret. We don't want you to beat yourself up the way we have about this."

Parents say they want better for their children. How is spending day and night caring for an elderly person better?

There are four main reasons for putting eldery people in nursing homes:
1. They have no children to care for them and "distant" relatives do not feel they should take on the responsiblity

2. They are quite sick and require constant care that you are incapable of providing.

3. Their children are selfish.

4. The elderly person wanted to be in a nursing home so as not to be a burden

Personally, I look forward to going to a nursing home one day. It sounds like college all over again! You're an adult with limited responsiblity in life. Woo hoo!

But seriously, it comes down to the fact that we are a "go go go" society. We don't sit at home knitting, cooking, gardening, and poking our wood stove's embers. It is almost impossible with the way families are set up today. Call it selfish, but it is really about lifestyle. Our parents wanted "us" to have all the opportunities in the world.

Nevertheless, I would love for my parents to live with me if their health declined and they wanted to.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
henry1966

But seriously, it comes down to the fact that we are a "go go go" society. We don't sit at home knitting, cooking, gardening, and poking our wood stove's embers. It is almost impossible with the way families are set up today. Call it selfish, but it is really about lifestyle. Our parents wanted "us" to have all the opportunities in the world.

True wRd but I also still think it's a culture difference.

  • 3 votes
#1.6 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:59 AM EDT
Checkmate-983933

I remember the way it used to be...when the parents provided for the children through college and then the kids took care of the parents in their failing years. That seems to all have changed in this last generation (the baby boomers). So many of my friends (gen-x) endured college alone and spent years afterwards paying back the loans. They started their lives in debt while their parents traveled the globe and sported their new sports cars...how sad.

My dad did something like this. My parents (divorced) paid for me to attend college and when it came to the loans, my dad said that he would help with my loans. So, with that thought, I thought that this would be great, I can get the loans paid off faster; I would be contributing to more than half, obviously. Never a problem when I went to him and asked him that I may have to take this amount for a loan and was he alright with that.

Nope. My dad lied. Over $46,000.00 with loans. He decided to be selfish. When I confronted him, he had nothing to say. B****** didn't even finish paying off child support. He did more damage than that, more financial misery to my mother and her family, psychological damage to me with false hope that I would be getting out of a hellhole and I would be closer with my father. The funny part is, he didn't spend his money on vacations or traveled around the world; he bought a cheap house in another state (which he can't take care of. He's a slob. That house will be falling apart in a few years).

So, my dad was real surprised by my reaction when he ended up in the hospital. A friend of his called me to tell me that he was in the hospital (like I can do anything because he's over 4 hours away). I replied, "Notify me when he's dead." I've already told my family that when he dies, his family can do the funeral arrangements. If they refuse (they may, I wouldn't pass it by them) and it is left to me, I would have him cremated and dump his ashes in the sewer, where he really belongs.

Don't get me wrong, I am for respecting ones parents, but the parents have to respect their children as well. Some parents deserve respect; some don't.

  • 1 vote
#1.7 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:07 PM EDT
Janeinthisworld

This is a far more complex problem than addressed here. Its much more than the idea of "tucking the elderly away" or the "me, myself and I concept."

When I was 7 months pregnant my mother became so ill that she had to be hospitalized for two weeks. After the initial hospitalization she could have gone home for the rest of her recovery had there been someone who could have cared for her round the clock while she regained her strength. The problem was, neither myself or my siblings could have done it. All of us were working full time and it would have required at least one of us quitting our job, then how would we have supported ourself? We were already helping her pay her expenses because she didn't want to live with any of us. None of us could have lifted her into her wheel chair or helped with toileting. Myself and one of my brothers already had children at home, another complication.

A nursing home isn't always the greatest experience, but it doesn't have to be the worst one either. The biggest problem with nursing homes is that too many people dump their family in one and then pretty much abandon them there. My mother was in the nursing home for an additional 8 weeks, but we went to visit her every single day she was there. We took her personal belongings to her, brought her magazines, books, rented videos for her. We took her out for walks (her in her wheel chair) around the neighborhood. We brought her food and all the niceties of home. She became a sort of celebrity in the home. We got to know the other people who were staying there with her. Often times she was the only one who would have visitors.

The important thing is, we didn't just leave her there.

  • 2 votes
#1.8 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:18 PM EDT
Dowser

A nursing home isn't always the greatest experience, but it doesn't have to be the worst one either.

I think you're right. Each story is one of individual circumstances, and of making the best decision one can make, based on the resources at hand. My stepdaughter's grandmother, (complicated, but true), is now in an assisted living facility and having a ball! They play bingo, they take ballroom dancing, they go places and do things, and are having a lot of fun! But they are physically able to participate in things.

As a baby boomer, may I say one thing? You can't paint all of us with a broad brush. Not all of what is going on in the world is our fault. During my parent's generation, the Great Generation, most women didn't work, they stayed in the home. They had the time and opportunity to take care of their elderly parents on a full-time basis, and devote themselves to their children.

I am working to put my step-daughter through college, whom we reared. Her mother wasn't around much, and I am very fortunate to have had her in my life and my home. She has 0 student loans. Now, if she wants her masters, she is likely doing to have to do that on her own, because we have another child to put through school, and we need to start saving for his education.

Not all of baby boomers are the "me" generation-- we are all doing the best with the circumstances that are before us.

Checkmate, I'm really sorry that your Dad was a deadbeat, and I can certainly understand your anger.

Shawn, I'm sort of a sandwich generation right now. I have a daughter in college, an 11 year old son, my mother is elderly, I have to work to help finance both ends, and I'm doing my best to do what is good and right for both ends. Not all of us are going off to Europe or driving our fancy cars-- my car is 9 years old, and I'm praying it can last at least a few more years...

I think all of us are doing what we can to help our families. There are those that don't, but those are individual circumstances-- and individuals that are selfish. Not an entire generation.

    #1.9 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:37 PM EDT
    Shawn [a.k.a. "Shadow"]

    As a baby boomer, may I say one thing? You can't paint all of us with a broad brush. Not all of what is going on in the world is our fault. During my parent's generation, the Great Generation, most women didn't work, they stayed in the home. They had the time and opportunity to take care of their elderly parents on a full-time basis, and devote themselves to their children.

    I think all of us are doing what we can to help our families. There are those that don't, but those are individual circumstances-- and individuals that are selfish. Not an entire generation.

    I'm not looking to put blame on an entire generation, so my apologies if it came off that way Dowser. My point was to indicate that it seemed to be that particular generation (or time period) where the trend changed...call it a desire to have more stuff which required both parents to work, call it more divorce which meant both HAD to work...whatever it was...the priorities seem to shift for a great many around that general time period.

    My household runs more like the "old school" in that my wife stays home to be there for the children when they get home from school. She does a bit of substituting at the kid's school and that allows her to keep track of the kids there (as well as provide her that need to feel that she's contributing to the bank "bottom line"). She contributes time and energy to the local church and charities. She is amazing.

    But to make that decision (to live that type of lifestyle) we also learned to live a particular type of life. We have 1 TV in the house...granted...it's an HD big screen, but it's the only one in the house and we all respectfully share time and programming. We all share in the act of cooking dinner (instead of eating out throughout the week) so when we go out to get food, it's a treat and not "just the norm".

    Is it the "ideal" lifestyle for most...probably not. But because of those lifestyle choices, we haven't really been hit too hard by the recession, and we learn to live a bit more humble than most in the "need it now" stuff that drives most families. That said though, I get to be my son's scout den leader and we spend a lot of time interacting with the kids, be it playing basketball or catch or kickball in the yard...so there's a huge plus there. We read with our kids every night before they go to bed and say our prayers at night ever thankful for the gifts we're given.

    My kids will go to college and will graduate debt free as their 529 plans are 100% paid in full, and if any of our family is in need...our door is always open as long as they respect the house, the family, and the rules therein.

    • 3 votes
    #1.10 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
    Janeinthisworld

    I think its important to make a distinction between an assisted living facility and a nursing home. ALF's are really nothing like a nursing home. ALF's allow the elderly to continue to live independently in most of the same ways they always have with a few extra benefits. They are more like retirement communities. A nursing home, however, is a trained nursing facility, much more like a hospital.

    • 1 vote
    #1.11 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:12 PM EDT
    Dowser

    Shawn, thanks for your kind reply-- I really appreciate it! Yes, there was a giant shift in attitude in the 1960's. I was 10 years old in 1965, and I'm a baby boomer.

    I don't honestly know that women began working because they wanted more stuff. Most women started working to help provide for their families in the 1960's and 1970's because the cost of everything had gone up to the point that they had to work to keep at the same standard of living they had previously enjoyed. And most of my friend's moms that worked, did so to provide college education for their kids. :-) And advantage that many of them hadn't enjoyed. But that is just from my narrow little viewpoint in a mid-sized KY city.

    Jane, I think you are right, too. My father-in-law started out in an assisted living facility, but was quickly shuttled right into a nursing facility, with progressive levels of care as he deteriorated further and further. The nursing facility he was in, wasn't necessarily the party place that my stepdaughter's grandmother is in, but the patients seemed to be content. Since we visited so frequently, we came to know a few of the others, well, depending on their state of health.

    I certainly hope that my mother will be able to stay in her own home until the end! I have no wish to remove her from her home where she is happy-- but there may be no choice, in the future.

    • 1 vote
    #1.12 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:42 PM EDT
    henry1966

    This is a far more complex problem than addressed here.

    Agreed Janeinthisworld.I never said it was an easy topic though.

    Dowser, Shawn and Jane, it's clear that personal circumstances are a very important factor how to deal with taking care of our parents if the need is there. From money, the relationships we have with our parents, their wishes and the facilities nursing homes have to offer. I don't think there's a perfect decision because it's too complicated for that.

    I only wish that we give it at least thought before " we" send our parents to a nursing home not knowing hon happy or unhappy they will be. I stay with my point though that we have only one mother and father and when the time comes we can so something back for them, we should be able to give it an effort and do the best as we can.

      #1.13 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
      Janeinthisworld

      I think from what we've seen here that there are a lot of people out there giving it a lot of thought. Honestly, I don't think there are many people who don't give it much thought. The important thing is that we continue to think about it, even after the difficult decisions have been made. The issues don't just end when we fill out the admission paperwork. Those are just the first steps.

      • 1 vote
      #1.14 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 3:08 PM EDT
      henry1966

      Agreed Jane :-)

        #1.15 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:44 AM EDT
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        River-239955

        What a question, henry.....

        Personally, I despise nursing homes. I do not want my moma in one. I do not ever want to be put in one. I will not voluntarily put a loved one in one -unless- their medical treatments dictate it. If the care simply cannot be tended at home, and other facilities are required, then I adapt accordingly, I think.

        I have seen family members sent to nursing homes to finish out their lives. They were exiled to facilities while their minds were still sharp, while they still functioned relatively well, although age had taken a bit of mobility away from them. It was truly an awful thing to experience for them, and I despised being in the position to have to watch it.

        With that said, what are your parents wishes?

        • 6 votes
        Reply#2 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:43 AM EDT
        henry1966

        What a question, henry....

        Like in?

        With that said, what are your parents wishes?

        I mentioned it briefly in my article River and I don't think my parents wishes are very relevant. I wrote this because it bothers me in general. But okay, first of all I hope they'll stay healthy and independent for a long time. If not, I have two brothers left back home. One of them already extended his house so if something should happen they ( or one of them) could move in. On the other hand, I know they don't want to bother anyone ( their perception) so it could be that they just stay at home with some help. Whatever their wishes are, I have to respect them.

        • 3 votes
        #2.1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:07 PM EDT
        River-239955

        I mentioned it briefly in my article River and I don't think my parents wishes are very relevant. I wrote this because it bothers me in general.

        I'm sorry. I just didn't interpret your thoughts that way, and I had overlooked the bit where you had asked them about it. The reason that I do feel it is very relevant what their wishes are is because we are honor-bound to do everything we can to uphold those wishes. By rejecting that reality or simply refusing to respect their thoughts can be really damaging to not only our relationships with our parents, but to us, and to our relationships to those around us. Granted, the time inevitably comes where we have to take matters into our own hands, but without having ever explored that topic with those who would be living with it, we could give them a very traumatic passing, and make it harder on ourselves. Nobody wishes that for their parents.

        I can see that it does bother you in general, or you wouldn't have brought it up for discussion. Hope you can find a happy medium you can feel good about. :)

        • 3 votes
        #2.2 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:16 PM EDT
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        mstanley2265

        We start out as helpless newborns and return as helpless adults...the circle of life. That's where the 24 hour care comes in again ..at the end of life. Most reach this point and it is very difficult for loved ones to provide or even afford the care that is needed. One newer aspect to consider are: the Elderly abuse laws. The law list for Elderly abuse has lengthened.

        Some states now have Mandatory reporting laws. One of the abuses is "lack of medical care". If a parent refuses to go to the doctor but is in a middle stage of dementia then the liability could be invoked for the caregiver. So far, it has only been the worst abuses that have been prosecuted. Yet there could conceivably be a time when someone could be charged and have the expense of defending their position re the parental care.

        People need to have their plans in place. I've told my children, who don't have medical training, put me in a nursing home, if I don't go quicker. States are now regulating the nursing homes better than they use too. Yet, the stigma of a nursing home is still in place.

        That is where people need to visit and check the financials and hiring practices. People can check out any activity regarding state sanctions on state websites. Private inhome care is way too expensive for most and on the downside, relatives that don't have medical training can sometimes unintentionally do more harm than good.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#3 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:03 AM EDT
        henry1966

        Interesting comment mstanley, thank you.

        Private inhome care is way too expensive for most and on the downside, relatives that don't have medical training can sometimes unintentionally do more harm than good.

        I agree with this. But what if they don't want to go to a nursing home. We're talking about our parents wishes? I'm just thinking out loud.

        • 2 votes
        #3.1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:10 PM EDT
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        Nick Tsiotinos

        This is an extremely difficult and perplexing issue. It really depends on how invalid the parents become and on the capacity of the child to cope with this, both financially, emotionally and practically.

        Especially if the child has a young family of their own to look after.

        I think its a trap that children "owe" their parents for looking after them. The children were never asked to be born - the parents made a conscious decision to have children and all that goes with that.

        In some countries (usually without an established welfare system) having children is the only perceived way of ensuring that you are looked after to some degree in your old age. But in these countries there is usually the "extended" family living in the same house and the burden is able to be shared.

        In the western nuclear family, the burden usually falls on only one child, and that is a very difficult burden indeed.

        I think that old age homes and nursing homes have emerged as a response to our lack of extended family living - the "nuclear" family cannot cope with an elderly parent that needs constant care. After all, most of the current generation of nuclear families cannot cope with children - that is why we have "day care" and "child care" centres, and mom and dad continue working and carrying on their lives as if they had no children.

        So if current parents are outsourcing the care of their children - why would they expect that their children would not outsource the care of them when they become invalid?

        As I said - a difficult and perplexing issue - and one that we will all inevitably have to face. I have faced it - and I still don't know if I did the right thing, and probably never will.

        As for me - do I want to burden my children with looking after me? I honestly think that I will get better care at a good nursing home than either of my children would be able to provide. I certainly did not have my children in the hope that I would be looked after in my old age. I just hope that they would be able to visit me more often than I was able to visit my dad, who died in a nursing home only a few months ago....

        • 3 votes
        Reply#4 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:07 AM EDT
        henry1966

        As for me - do I want to burden my children with looking after me? I honestly think that I will get better care at a good nursing home than either of my children would be able to provide. I certainly did not have my children in the hope that I would be looked after in my old age. I just hope that they would be able to visit me more often than I was able to visit my dad, who died in a nursing home only a few months ago....

        I don't think people decide to have children to be looked after when they grow old. At least I didn't. I see your point though. It is a perplexing issue where culture plays a big role. I never gave it thought yet ( too young I guess) but I have no idea if I wanted to move in with one of my children when the need is there. It's one of those things that just doesn't seem right to do.

        • 1 vote
        #4.1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:16 PM EDT
        chasencash

        I think culture plays a large part in this. I have met Samoan families whose structure revolves around parental needs. Many are told from a young age that looking after parents is a necessity not a choice...and yes I have heard parents say that they had their children to look after them when they age.

        I think your take is commendable but specific to your situation. Take for instance the parents whose child care abilities may have been better than their parents but they were still abysmally poor care givers. Or what about the emotionally dysfunctional and abusive parent. Some people are often raised by people without much of a clue or capacity for self analysis. Thus when the apple falls far from the tree the relationship changes and falters to the point of distance.

        What if you come from a family of dominance and bullying - would you then expose your child to living with those attitudes daily? What if you were raised through mindless neglect? Some people move away from the family dynamic but the parents remain committed to it.

        The truth is estrangement plays a large part in this.

        The fact that your parents take steps to take care of themselves speak volumes to their respect for others and themselves. Many relationships are flawed and elderly parental care becomes a real issue in terms of practicality and the environment you want in your house.

        • 3 votes
        #4.2 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:55 PM EDT
        henry1966

        think your take is commendable but specific to your situation. Take for instance the parents whose child care abilities may have been better than their parents but they were still abysmally poor care givers. Or what about the emotionally dysfunctional and abusive parent. Some people are often raised by people without much of a clue or capacity for self analysis. Thus when the apple falls far from the tree the relationship changes and falters to the point of distance.

        My take is specific. I mainly wrote this article to hear other opinions about this very personal topic. And you sure wrote down very valid reasons to not think like me. Thank you for your comment.

        • 1 vote
        #4.3 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:32 PM EDT
        chasencash

        I think there is a suggestion that elderlyc is wrong:

        I have a hard time understanding why a vast majority in this world " puts" them in an elderly home so they can live their lives without that " burden".

        Simply put, there are multiple scenarios why nursing homes are used, and not all of them centre on individualism. The world is not as black and white as it appears - in a perfect world people could do the right thing, but sometimes the right thing in principle is not the right thing for you family.

        I have worked in an elderly nursing home and caring for these patients professionally is hard work and hard to fathom for most people. The physical demands of care giving is difficult, the emotional demands can be a thousand times worse.

        • 2 votes
        #4.4 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:10 PM EDT
        chasencash

        Oops edit goes live...i meant elderly rest homes are wrong....and your family not you family..

        • 1 vote
        #4.5 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 9:16 PM EDT
        henry1966

        I have worked in an elderly nursing home and caring for these patients professionally is hard work and hard to fathom for most people. The physical demands of care giving is difficult, the emotional demands can be a thousand times worse.

        I have a lot of respect for people who work in elderly nursing homes and for those who work in any place where special care is needed. I'm with you on this one.

        • 2 votes
        #4.6 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:06 AM EDT
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        HeelsnHairMetal

        My mothers side of the family has NEVER put a member in a nursing home. Thankfully, nobody has needed extreme medical care. We believe in keeping our elderly in the home with us until the very end.

        I would NEVER put my mother in a home so long as I could afford to care for her myself, or at least pay for an in-home nurse. I know the last thing she would ever want is to live out her last days in a nursing facility. She deserves to be near family and living in her own home, not with 50-100 strangers where she can be mistreated, neglected, and forgotten. Dont get me wrong, some nursing facilities (especially high-end ones) are VERY nice, and some families consistently visit members in nursing homes, but its not for my mother and my family.

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        Reply#5 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 11:51 AM EDT
        henry1966

        She deserves to be near family and living in her own home, not with 50-100 strangers where she can be mistreated, neglected, and forgotten.

        As you said, there are better nursing facilities than that. And I'm with you when it comes to my parents although their wishes will make the decision.

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        #5.1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:18 PM EDT
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        callie-girl

        henry,

        In the State in which I live, and have lived for the past 16 years, our assisted living facilities are more like posh hotels in the majority of cases. My Mom was stricken with several strokes in her 70s and was living in her home in another State. Medicare covered in-home care provided by a wonderful woman for the first few years after Mom became unable to walk without assistance. She refused to move closer to where I was living, preferring to remain in her own home.

        When she suffered another stroke that left her hearing and vision impaired, her primary care physician and I had a long talk and he said it was mandatory that she be someplace where she could receive around-the-clock supervision and care. I carefully checked out and visited the assisted living facilities near my home and, to be quite honest, was delighted at how beautiful they were. Each resident had his or her own rooms (living room, bath, bedroom) and they brought their own cherished pieces of furniture from their homes as furnishings.

        Mom absolutely loved it there. She was surrounded by people of her own age, with similar memories. The staff was amazing; organized outings and in-house entertainments and activities; had a doctor on staff who specialized in age-related ailments. Most importantly, there were nurses there 24/7 to administer required medications and assisted those, like Mom, who required help moving about. She thrived...both from the attention of staff and from the joy of being around people her own age.

        I had the joy of being able to run errands for her, visit with her several times weekly and the comfort of knowing that her medical needs were being seen to by those far more qualified than I. She actually thanked me multiple times for finding such a wonderful place for her to feel safe and cared for.

        Like your parents, mine did not want to be intrusive. Also, I discovered that the elderly are fully aware that their bodies are failing, while their spirits remain forever young. Being among others experiencing the same end-of-life physical deterioration, people who could grasp the frustrations and laugh together over them, being in their own little nests with their own furnishings, having the security of knowing trained medical staff was there to administer required assistance, was, according to my Mom, a great relief to her. She didn't feel like a "burden" (the idea of which horrified her) and felt, in her words, elated that she didn't have to pretend to feel well when she didn't so she wouldn't feel like she was "burdening" me. Most importantly, she still had her own little place, rather than accommodating herself to be in mine. She said it made her feel "independent" still.

        I know this is a long post, but I wanted to share my experience, and that of my Mom, with you.

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        Reply#6 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:06 PM EDT
        henry1966

        I know this is a long post, but I wanted to share my experience, and that of my Mom, with you

        Thank you Callie for sharing this. Don't worry about the long post because it was worth reading it.

        Also, I discovered that the elderly are fully aware that their bodies are failing, while their spirits remain forever young. Being among others experiencing the same end-of-life physical deterioration, people who could grasp the frustrations and laugh together over them, being in their own little nests with their own furnishings, having the security of knowing trained medical staff was there to administer required assistance, was, according to my Mom, a great relief to her. She didn't feel like a "burden" (the idea of which horrified her) and felt, in her words, elated that she didn't have to pretend to feel well when she didn't so she wouldn't feel like she was "burdening" me. Most importantly, she still had her own little place, rather than accommodating herself to be in mine. She said it made her feel "independent" still.

        I have to admit that it makes much sense what you wrote here and I'm glad to hear it worked out that well Callie for you and your mother :-)

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        #6.1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:22 PM EDT
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        Kathleen McKenzie

        This is a very complex issue. As parents age, they become more dependent and role-switching takes place. Some elderly cannot accept this (my mother, for one) and there's constant suspicion and personality clashes. My sister fixed two rooms in her room so Mom could have a bedroom and sitting room. Mom stayed there maybe two days, then called a neighbor to come get her and take her home. Mom trusted a neighbor she had known only three years more than she trusted any of her own children.

        Many elderly need more care and stimulation than their adult children can give them. The retirement community where I live has three levels of care and many planned activities as well as opportunities for volunteerism. I am the first to admit I am very, very fortunate.

        Third, if the relationship between parent and child has never developed into one of mutual respect and courtesy, it will not suddenly change and the resulting tension can be unbearable.

        Personalities sometimes change; one friend of mine had her mother living with her until the mother became consistently vicious toward her grandchildren, pulling their hair, poking them with knitting needles and so on.

        There are no easy answers. We do the best we can and no one can really judge another in cases like this.

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        Reply#7 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:24 PM EDT
        henry1966

        There are no easy answers. We do the best we can and no one can really judge another in cases like this.

        I agree but it's worth giving it thought and consideration.

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        #7.1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:23 PM EDT
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        Cipher-0

        Some people are incredibly fortunate to have family that cares living close by with both the time and means to provide for their ill or hospice parents.

        For all the talk I hear of the elderly getting the short shrift in the US, I see an awful lot of the elderly in my community getting to do exactly that.

        Case in point: A neighbor of my mother-in-law's had her cancer recur and metastasize. Her kids flocked back from all parts of the country to make sure she was well taken care of.

        In the ideal world, everyone gets to live their life in their home until the end.

        This isn't the ideal world. There's employers who won't give you the time off, people who don't have the means to care for themselves and their parents, or live severely elsewhere and can't drop everything to head back to their parents.

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        Reply#8 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:02 PM EDT
        henry1966

        This isn't the ideal world. There's employers who won't give you the time off, people who don't have the means to care for themselves and their parents, or live severely elsewhere and can't drop everything to head back to their parents.

        A significant factor for those who want to take care of their parents. You're right of course. Not every body has the tools to so. Thank you for your comment.

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        #8.1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:25 PM EDT
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        marryDeleted
        firsty

        i'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that our culture's fixation on individual independence has something to do with this. i think there is a tendency on the part of both elderly parents and their children to try to preserve some sense of independence throughout life, and we have come to see "moving back in with the kids," no matter what age, as a certain kind of failure — a failure that reflects poorly on the self-sufficiency and perceived competence of the person in question.

        we live in a society where many people are "too proud" to ask for help. i think this can translate into an attitude on the children of elderly parents to hesitate in offering their home as a residence, but it also translates into this idea that holding onto that sense of independence is naturally a good thing. when we look at the pros and cons, for example, of putting our older parents into nursing homes, i think we tend to give a lot more weight to the "independence" factor — in other words, there has to be quite a few cons to offset the single "pro" of this idea that our older parents somehow "need" to live in their own place — even if that place isnt really a home. i say this because my sense is that children (and sometimes the parents, too) rationalize nursing homes as "retirement communities," where "at least" the older person is able to live on their own, in their own room, with their own "group," etc.

        just a thought.

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        Reply#10 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 1:46 PM EDT
        henry1966

        we live in a society where many people are "too proud" to ask for help

        I think your right about that.

        just a thought.

        Thank you for " just" your thought.

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        #10.1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:34 PM EDT
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        mstanley2265

        then there's the basic psychological aspect, "I'm old but as long as I stay out of a nursing home, I won't die". Independance is great but there's a point of no return. Too many stroke victims as above, don't really understand and are against moving into a home w/care. All of the above are helpful in understanding the wall that we'll all be up against one day. Hopefully, it won't be an unhappy one.

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        Reply#11 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 2:52 PM EDT
        henry1966

        Hopefully, it won't be an unhappy one.

        I guess we'll have to wait and see.....

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        #11.1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:35 PM EDT
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        PaladinUSA (redux)

        A difficult topic made more so by the diaspora of the family members and that fewer and fewer of us work in environments where death and crippling injuries are a regular consequence of that job.

        That said, it is an ongoing conversation that should be held within each family while all are of sound mind; with the understanding of all in mind.

        Legal instruments now available should be used and in place early. These include, but not limited to, End Life Directives and Advanced Medical Directives. Each State has their own forms online and Veterans can download the VA form from their site.

        Rather than remain in my secluded housing when my injuries no longer allowed me to work; I moved into an historical University neighborhood. I need only to walk across the street to get most anything I need. The biggest bonus is being surrounded by bright young persons who challenge my mind and help keep me out of the depths of depression, isolation, and loneliness between visits by my children and grandchildren. Not immersed in an environment of those who's focus is their own condition, I find myself healthier.

        These steps and the physical location of my quarters have put all my children at ease. They bear none of the guilt or stresses of making the final choices as they've all been made by us and spelled out to a fault.

        I offer that this should be a natural part of life in that the one thing guaranteed us in life is death and as such should not be a fearful event.

        Just a thought from an old soldier and coal miner.

        May each of you find a path that fulfills your needs.

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        Reply#12 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 4:12 PM EDT
        henry1966

        That said, it is an ongoing conversation that should be held within each family while all are of sound mind; with the understanding of all in mind.

        Couldn't agree more.

        May each of you find a path that fulfills your needs

        Thank you. May you stay on your path that you described so well.

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        Reply#13 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:38 PM EDT
        PaladinUSA (redux)

        Thank you, Sir.

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        #13.1 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:40 PM EDT
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        Robert Erickson

        I hate those "warehouses". They cared for us when we were vulnerable. It becomes our turn to return the favor. Thanks for the article.

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        Reply#14 - Sat Apr 24, 2010 8:57 PM EDT
        henry1966

        " Warehouses" as an equivalent for elderly nursing homes Robert?

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        #14.1 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:08 AM EDT
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        Dowser

        henry-- I read this article, stewed a bit, and then came back to it.

        So far, the only member of my family and my husband's family to have lived in a nursing home was my father-in-law. He had a major stroke, and was not only physically devastated, but mentally disoriented. My loving, wonderful mother-in-law, who would not hear of him being put into a nursing facility, killed herself, trying to take care of him. She had health issues of her own, and just wasn't able to do it. She refused to have any outside help, thinking that the youngest daughter could help her. Really bad idea!

        After her death, in order to provide a home for my husband's youngest sister, who has mental issues, (she is a functioning trinome), they thought that she could take care of him. Wrong-- she can barely take care of herself. Her IQ is 2 points above the limit for state-supervised care. So, after about 6 months of that fiasco-- we all sat down at a family meeting.

        First, we tried live-in help, but no one could get along with the daughter. It was a mess! And it cost a fortune! Then, we took a good hard look at ourselves. All of us work-- husbands and wives. There was not one soul that could stay home all day to care for him. In addition, he was a large man. He needed to be lifted, at times, and none of the wives were strong enough. I certainly am not strong enough-- I've got my own heart health issues.

        Thanks to his dementia, he had to be watched 24 hours a day-- So, he had a lot of money in the bank, and we found one of the best nursing facilities in the state. It was like going on a cruise, but it never reached port. His care was excellent! They managed to keep him alive for 8 years, until he was running out of money. Then, they put him in the hosperice program, and, poor man, he passed away. My husband visited him every week, for 8 long years. Every time he went, I sent Dad a treat of some sort-- flowers, candy, toys, cookies, new running suits, you name it, my semi-fertile brain thought of it and sent it.

        I do not feel guilty about placing him in a nursing facility. He had the best care that money could provide. He had better care than any of us could provide. And it cost $800,000.

        Would I do this with my own mother? Under similar circumstances, yes, I would. I have an 11 year old son. My first duty is to try to stay alive for him. My mother is suffering from extreme memory loss, and is beginning to show the early signs of dementia, but is, so far, physically able to care for herself. The time will come when she likely will not be able to care for herself. I am an only child, and I will have no choice. All emotions aside-- I will visit her, I will be there for her, I will do my best by her-- but I can not care for her, physically. God help me.

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        Reply#15 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:14 AM EDT
        chasencash

        As God is in absentia once again you must do what you do as best you can. The Pollyanna attitude that thinks taking care of the elderly is an easy thing is not realistic and is not for you. In a perfect world - we would all like to take care of everyone but realistically that would be naive.

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        #15.1 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:14 AM EDT
        henry1966

        Dowser, thank you for your interesting personal story. It shows that in-home care is just not always possible and I think you made the right decision. A decision that suited everyone.

        I can only hope that a path will be set out for you and your mother. Stay strong Dowser and never lose the faith.

        In a perfect world - we would all like to take care of everyone but realistically that would be naive.

        Agreed. We can at east try to get as close as we can get. Thank you for your comment chasencash.

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        #15.2 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:13 AM EDT
        Dowser

        I will do my best to be there for her, but am just not physically able to care for her in the manner that she may end up needing. And yes, when the time comes, I feel that God will tell me what to do, and how to meet her wishes in a way that is best. I will not abandon her.

        Thank both of you for your support and understanding!

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        #15.3 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:29 PM EDT
        PaladinUSA (redux)

        (((((Dowser))))

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        #15.4 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:41 PM EDT
        Dowser

        I love you, too, Paladin!

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        #15.5 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 12:55 PM EDT
        callie-girl

        dowser,

        I know what a gut-wrenching choice it was in my case. Ultimately, though, the wise counsel of my Mom's physician (who was a wonderful, wonderful man), was to take myself and my refusal to accept my physical limitations that would limit what I could do to help my Mom get from bed to bathroom to shower to living room, out of the equation and focus on providing what she truly needed - loving professionals in a loving environment, surrounded by people of her generation (not mine).

        It is a hard choice but, ultimately, her needs and helping them be provided for took precedence. And she lived longer than predicted and always thanked me for finding her a place where she felt safe, not a burden, and was surrounded by her peer group.

        For what my experience is worth ;-)

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        #15.6 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:05 PM EDT
        Dowser

        See how much you help me? Thank you, callie girl! I think whatever decision is made, it is the right one, if it is made with love and concern for their well-being! Putting Dad in the nursing home was AWFUL-- and I did everything I could to make it home-like for him. Everyone else was worried about the cost--(everyone but my dear husband)-- but we worried about HIM.

        For my mother, I'm going to help her to stay home as long as possible-- But, when the time comes, she has some money and it is there for her to use! It is HER money-- and it is supposed to be used to take care of her! I will do the best that I can, with God's help.

        God will help me. He always has. :-)

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        #15.7 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:18 PM EDT
        callie-girl

        )))))))))dowser(((((((((

        Who can best be described as a gigantic heart with two legs ;-)

        Yes!!!! It is about them. I actually was helped in making a difficult choice by putting myself in Mom's place. How would I feel having my child (and we're always their children, not matter our age) in role-reversal? My Mom was a proud woman. She was a bit mortified that she no longer was the strong, capable and care-giving woman she had been to her children. Being in a wonderful place surrounded by loving but paid professionals removed that onus for her - her child was not the one to change her diapers, help feed her - in other words, her child did not have to become the parent Mom always took such pride in being. It was about permitting her the dignity of not become a child to her child. So, when we visited, she was able to do so without a feeling of shame that I was parenting her. That remained her role and I continued to seek her advice and counsel - something I truly believe she would have felt was forced and false had I been changing her diaper while doing so.

        Does that make sense?

          #15.8 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:49 PM EDT
          Dowser

          It makes perfect sense to me! The most important thing to all of us is to maintain our dignity. Sometimes, medical problems make maintaining one's dignity next to impossible-- but the soul can survive any indignity, if you are treated with kindness and respect. It is all about them.

          I understand completely. What would my father-in-law have felt like, if his daughter-in-law had changed his diaper? He was a man of great dignity-- he would have been miserable! Even at the last, when I excused myself when the nurse came in to help him with some personal hygiene matter, he thanked me.

          All of us will face a moment in our lives when we are helpless to take care of ourselves in the simplest ways-- I certainly had my moment when I had my heart attack. I begged for a bedside potty, so that I didn't have to use a bed pan. Please, I beg of you, allow me to do this one small thing for myself. When one's dignity is stripped to the bone, it is best if strangers help you, not someone that you have parented. Or it was best for me. :-)

          To many people, it may not matter. To me, it did. To my mother, it will. To Dad, it did. He was a gentleman. His privacy was never violated by me... Nor will my mother's, unless she requests it.

          I think the most important thing that any of us can do for our elderly family members is to help them figure out a way to live their lives with dignity and respect. I am not physically able to help my mother with her personal hygiene needs. My mother doesn't want my help. To force her to accept my help, would, at this time in her life, force her to accept an indignity that she would never want. That situation may change at a later date-- and when it does, we'll have to figure out what to do that is best for her.

          35 years ago, when I took a class in Social Gerontology, only 10% of the elderly population ended up in nursing homes. I don't know if that has changed or not-- I would venture to guess that it has not changed, if only because the costs are so exorbitant. But I don't know for sure.

          And you're sweet. Actually, on good days, I resemble a tootsie roll on a toothpick. On bad days, I resemble an olive on a toothpick! :-)

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          #15.9 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 2:09 PM EDT
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          Par4TheCourse

          Reasoning this out my first thought was.. Because the family did not have the patience needed to deal with caring for the elderly person... Then another thought ran through my mind.. that the family is too busy to care for someone that took care of them and had the patience to put up with everything that went on in the family.. that worked most of their life to support, to make sure food was on the table and a roof over their head, and now someone is setting them out to pasture.

          My mother-in-law stayed with my wife and I until almost the very end.. between Dementia and other ailments of this 4' 10" shriveled up elderly lady who had to be cared for almost 24/7 - we had a visiting nurse each week, and my wife aside from working as a nurse - between the two she was in her own home up until 2 weeks before she passed.

          It takes Family to take care of Family.. I have always believed this...Sure, its difficult at times.. as I mentioned.. they were there for us good times and bad.. they gave of themselves when they really did not have to.. and their drive and determination when we needed it benefited us.

          I do not believe in sending an elderly person to their last throes in some strange place... unless the family hasn't 'any time' for them....although in many families that person 'had time' for you. Many arrangements can be made with VNA (Visiting Nurses Association) - state money - where the person can be cared for in the home, all it would take is someone making sure she has taken their medications.

          One last reason other than placing them in a strange place, is the cost associated with doing so...okay..one more reason associated with that.. Is that in many instances than not - The kind of attention some elderly receive in certain facilities is much less than stellar... too many stories of neglect, hitting, and utterly being mean.

          Okay..one more that I just thought of that deals in cost.. Imagine if you will how much it cost the taxpayers to house the elderly in these homes... Also, many of the elderly were pushed out of their own homes through tax hikes on their property that they owned a long time.. If we as human beings continue to force the elderly out of their homes prematurely through taxing their property so some town can have a school then more elderly will be forced out of their homes into strange places where they are 'sometimes' not cared for with the love and respect that they surely deserve.

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          Reply#16 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 9:40 AM EDT
          Janeinthisworld

          It takes Family to take care of Family.. I have always believed this...Sure, its difficult at times.. as I mentioned.. they were there for us good times and bad.. they gave of themselves when they really did not have to.. and their drive and determination when we needed it benefited us.

          It's so much more than that.

          Imagine the person you are caring for is 6'4" and 210 pounds. Imagine that they are incontinent and need their diaper changed several times a day. Some imagine that its manageable if they are bedridden, but what if they are not? What if this person is still mobile? Then add in dementia, causing disorientation and anxiety. Imagine the very person you are trying so hard to care for lashing out at you violently. Imagine them berating and insulting you. How do you restrain and care for this person when they are likely bigger and stronger? Now imagine that this same person, the one who cared for you throughout your life, doesn't recognize you and does not remember who you are.

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          #16.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:23 PM EDT
          henry1966

          Another example of how complicated this is. That's why I ended my article with " food for thoughts".

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          #16.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:40 PM EDT
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          henry1966

          You said some interesting things Par4TC.

          It takes Family to take care of Family.. I have always believed this...Sure, its difficult at times.. as I mentioned.. they were there for us good times and bad.. they gave of themselves when they really did not have to.. and their drive and determination when we needed it benefited us.

          Agreed.

          One last reason other than placing them in a strange place, is the cost associated with doing so...okay..one more reason associated with that.. Is that in many instances than not - The kind of attention some elderly receive in certain facilities is much less than stellar... too many stories of neglect, hitting, and utterly being mean

          Costs are a significant factor for those who have to make that choice. I too, have heard the stories about neglect and abuse. But as callie-girl wrote in #6 there are good places as well. I think it's too easy to generalize.

          Thank you for tuning in.

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          Reply#17 - Sun Apr 25, 2010 6:56 PM EDT
          frostyone

          Hmmm you pose an interesting question Henry. Personally I've never really understood why we moved away from multi-generational homes after WWII. For me I'd do the best I could for them here and they know that they are welcome at my home anytime they wish but if it was medically necessary then and only then would I be willing to look at a nursing home.

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          Reply#18 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:15 AM EDT
          henry1966

          but if it was medically necessary then and only then would I be willing to look at a nursing home.

          Good point.

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          #18.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:03 AM EDT
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          Checkmate-983933

          I know a couple who has 5 child. Half of them want them to be in a nursing home. One has Parkinson's and the other has the beginning of Alzheimers.

          Reason why? 3 of the children have 2 less things to worry about. Disgusting, isn't it. Also, the 3 children RARELY come around to visit their parents. Holidays? Nope. Parents' birthdays? Nope. Just one daughter does this and she is always coming over. The other son doesn't get involved because he has his own problems.

          Put them into a nursing home and then the children wouldn't have to worry about anything. Hell, one of the daughters threw the mother into a nuthouse for a few months because of an 'episode' (she locked herself in her room because she was upset about something. So their logic is, she did this = she's a danger to herself and she is nuts. I know the woman: she's not crazy. She is probably depressed that out of 5 children that she gave birth to, only one shows up. She hasn't seen some of her grandchildren, great-grandchildren in YEARS. To add insult to injury, all but one of the children live nearby. Less than half an hour away).

          Part of me is waiting for this to happen to the children that want them in a home: let their own children throw them into one and never stop by or communicate to them. Go get thrown into a nuthouse for something trivial.

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          Reply#19 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 10:38 AM EDT
          henry1966

          Reason why? 3 of the children have 2 less things to worry about. Disgusting, isn't it. Also, the 3 children RARELY come around to visit their parents. Holidays? Nope. Parents' birthdays? Nope. Just one daughter does this and she is always coming over. The other son doesn't get involved because he has his own problems.

          This example you gave is on of my main concerns in today's society. Sad but true.

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          #19.1 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:05 AM EDT
          Checkmate-983933

          We had an flooding issue a month ago. The one daughter asked 2 other siblings if they would be able to help if the parents needed to be evacuated. They couldn't be bothered. They were in a 'dry' area, while their parents and the one daughter lived in a flood area. After the flooding, the one daughter's house got hit hard. She asked the siblings for a little help: could they do the food shopping for the parents (the one daughter does this every week) and pick up the parent's car that was at a mechanic.

          Nope, couldn't be bothered. Can't do something as simple as grocery shopping and picking up a car. She's trying to save her house and what items she could salvage from the flood and the siblings did nothing and don't care. But when they want something, they'll show up to the parents' house.

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          #19.2 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:41 AM EDT
          henry1966

          It's a sad example Checkmate and fortunately we're not all like that.

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          #19.3 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:44 AM EDT
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          PowerIsKnowledge

          Knowing what to do with elderly parents is a complex situation and those facing it should sit down with a professional to learn their options. I work with the elderly and some of the elderly I've worked with should be in homes for their safety because their children are abusers. When the elderly are brought home to live with their children, their children should be willing to hire Home Health Aides who can be a great help and who are experienced in the care of the elderly. If an elderly parent is ill, most children don't know how to help and can be a hindrance in the care of that elderly parent. Most of them will not even take the time to attend classes to learn how to help their elderly love ones.

          Most people believe it's as simple as plopping the the elderly in a bedroom and that's it but it's not. You have to consider activities and know how to prompt them to do things they need to do to stay healthy and unless you're a trained health professional, you'll only be providing a boring place for them to sit and wait until they die.

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          Reply#20 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:02 PM EDT
          henry1966

          Thank you PIK for your interesting comment. It couldn't hurt indeed to discuss this with professionals who are dealing with this on a daily base.

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          #20.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:08 AM EDT
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          Isabella-37

          It's a crying shame that children or families shove the elderly away and forget about them. I volunteer a few hours once or twice a week at our local retirement home. I spend time with the old folks who don't get any visitors. I read to them, wheel them out in the garden, or just sit and listen to them. I hope this article lights a spark in some, that it will get you to thinking, because it could be you someday. Give something back to this wonderful people. Volunteer an hour or two a week at a retirement center. You bring so much light into these old folk's lonely lives. They have a lot of love and a world of wisdom to give in return.

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          Reply#21 - Mon Apr 26, 2010 8:29 PM EDT
          henry1966

          I volunteer a few hours once or twice a week at our local retirement home. I spend time with the old folks who don't get any visitors.

          To me you're already a hero :-)

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          #21.1 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:09 AM EDT
          Dowser

          You're a hero to me, too!

          I'm working with the Cooperative Extension to try to set up a "Grandparent" program for middle schoolers and teenagers at several of the local nursing homes here. So, maybe it will work, too. I hope!

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          #21.2 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:36 PM EDT
          Isabella-37

          No hero for sure, but thanks to you both. Dowser, they have a program here at the Catholic elementary school. They take the kids to the retirement center during holiday time so the kids can take the elderly gifts that they made for them. The high school has a program where the health care students "adopt" a nursing home resident during one of the semesters. They are suppose to visit them once a week. I think it's a good experience for kids going into a health care career. Getting kids involved is a very good thing, for both the kids and the elderly.

            #21.3 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:10 PM EDT
            Dowser

            To me, it seems like a win-win situation, for everyone involved. :-)

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            #21.4 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 5:11 PM EDT
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            Tom's view from outside

            In Japan it's reasonably unusual to put elderly relatives in an old people's home. But a big factor is the style of family living. It's pretty common for the eldest son to live in a semi-detached house with his parents, and the wife of the eldest son gets the responsibility of looking after her husband's parents.

            What has changed in recent years is the structure of families. In the past families of many generations lived together, and most of the extended family lived in the same town or street. This created a two-way support network. Older relatives helped with babysitting, and younger relatives helped with caring for the elderly.

            These days, in the global society, we don't have this kind of structure anymore. Kids often move to the big city (if not another side of the planet like me) and wives are no longer expected to become a part of their husband's family to the extent that they become carers for his parents. City living, working styles and small apartments also don't lend themselves to caring for the elderly.

            Elderly people in Japan do seem to remain independent and energetic for much longer.. and the public transport system plays a reasonable part in this. Even at 90 they can still get around tokyo pretty easily.

            I can't imagine what will happen with my parents, because right now they are still travelling the world and they have always been so lively that I can't imagine them as ever needing care. If I'd remained living with them then it'd be natural to continue caring for them. But if you've lived separately for decades, in a different city (or country), it's a much bigger leap to suddenly take on that duty.

            Hard question.

              Reply#22 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:18 AM EDT
              henry1966

              Elderly people in Japan do seem to remain independent and energetic for much longer.. and the public transport system plays a reasonable part in this. Even at 90 they can still get around tokyo pretty easily.

              Infrastructure such as public transportation plays a significant role indeed Tom. And in the US it wouldn't hurt to spend some tax money on improving that.

                Reply#23 - Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:11 AM EDT
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